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all right let's here we are good morningeverybody welcome to the webinar todaywe're gonna talk about the part teneleven story this is fantastic I'm gladto see everybody join us this morningbecause this is a great topic I don'tknow if part 10 11 was ever great Mannybut I think it's time to make part 10 11great again and so that's I think whatwe're going to try to achieve today ishave a really good understanding of part10 11 and have a good talk about itbecause I think it's one of the areas ofthe Ontario Building Code that we findpeople struggle the most with and it isunderstandable that it is that way andsimply because there's so muchmisdirection there's so easy to go thewrong direction make the wrong a mistakewith where you're supposed to go in thecode making sure that you're onlyapplying certain requirements in the newsections of the code when it's requiredthese are the real big stumbling blocksthat I find when I go through thebuilding code so that's really whatwe're gonna chat about today is thispart 10 11 story and give you ahigh-level overview of how to go throughthis section of the code all right wellthis is fantastic it's great we've got alot of people registered today so westill have a lot of interest in thesewebinars and we thank everybody for thesupport and we'll continue to keep doingthese as long as we have a goodfollowing and we've had some greatresponses from people so we'll keep itup again make sure you tell us how wecan be better because as we move forwardwe want to keep polishing thesepresentations and training sessions aswe go forward all right excellent allright well let'sthe webinar format for a few you thathave been here before you can understandthe system but let's go through it forpeople that are new or maybe had alittle bit of hard time last timesigning up for some of these things somake sure you after the webinar we'll besending you a recording so that youcould look at this so if you have toleave early today or say you findsomeone that you know signed up thatmissed it you're able to look at therecording and that can help you go backthrough a lot of these items to refreshyour memory and you can also use it ofcourse to study and write down notes sothat's not going to have an expiry dateon it so make sure you sign up and thenclick onto the replay we're gonna bedoing some QA during the webinarusually the questions we'll deal withduring the webinar or something that arevery specific to the topic on the slidebut at the very end of the webinar we'regonna have a larger Q&A session so ifyou have some larger issues that are alittle more complexwe'll probably save those to the endjust to try to get a better idea andhave to take some more time the peoplethat want to leave can of course leavefor that section of the webinar duringthe actual webinar itself you'll noticethat on the right-hand side you have anice menu that particular menu allowsyou to do a lot of things during thiswebinar the first thing is the chat soyou'll notice there's a hot area which Isee a lot of you are wishing us a goodmorning and good morning back so that'syour chat area if you have to ask aquestion make sure you mark it as aquestion and that'll help Mandy who'sgoing through these questions today tobe able to organize those deal with themif it's applicable to the slide or movethem more to the end of the presentationor more complicated or a more complexlook into that issueyou'll also notice there's a pollsbutton so when you see anytime on thaton that right-hand side if you start tosee a red dot you'll notice thatsomething has come up I'll click on thatand if it's a poll you click on the poll1button it'll come up with the answers on1that right hand side so that's how you1deal with polls and then of course we1have the offers tab which is on the side1also when we start talking about our1webinar training series moving forward1from June on1December of 2020 and of course like I1said before it give us your opinions we1really want to know what you have to say1the costoday same as we've done for the1past two for any of you that do not know1me my name is Gerald Morton I'm a1building official I've been for about 251years I've done work in larger or and1smaller municipalities I've done plans1exam work inspection work in CBO work1currently now I work with ours and1building consultants which support1municipalities in inspections plan1review and code consulting and of course1today I have with me Mandy Harris she1works with us here at RSM and she's the1director of plans examination and she1has been doing that for about 15 years1and she's been doing inspections and1plan review and she's our resident1expert at making sure plan reviews that1we support are helped with the1municipalities welcome Mandy thanks for1joining us today1Mandy during the webinar is going to be1working on the questions so anytime you1have any questions she's going to be1organizing those and and helping us1through those alright questions I1sometimes flag them and leave them1because I know something else is coming1up so I do get a lot of private messages1after the fact indicator I've maybe1missed them so just know that I have1flag dominant just because I'm not1mentioning them right away I look at1them great fantastic so we have one more1free webinar coming up next week the1webinar is going to be on meds it means1and that's in two weeks sorry that's in1two weeks we're doing these webinars1every two weeks1and that'll be our last free webinar1we're gonna talk about meds means we're1gonna be discussing whether it's1considered a story the vertical fire1separation separations and we're gonna1be talking about egress and we're gonna1be talking about exits so well1definitely it's going to be a good one1so make sure you stay tuned for that and1I get yourself signed up and make sure1you tell your friends definitely it's a1worthwhile for that topic1moving forward after answering them on1month of June we're going to be doing1the bi-weekly webinars for the next1seven months there's going to be 141training sessions we're going to be1doing various topics the subscription1fee is 495 and that includes your access1to the webinars and the recordings and I1have a few details on what all you're1gonna get with regards to that1subscription you'll notice on the1right-hand tab if you click your offers1button you'll notice that there is a1link that'll take you right to our1website and that will help you get1signed up we also have bulk rates1available so for municipalities that1have a few people that want to sign up1we have some options there for you to1see PBP approved through the oh boa and1we also have been in discussions with1the architects Association and oset and1when it comes to the Oh set and1architects they're self reporting but1definitely will provide you with some1clarification and some confirmation that1you haven't been at the course let's1talk about the subjects coming up1everybody's been asking us about what1are these subjects that are gonna be1coming up in the next seven months and1I've got about 12 here that we want to1talk about but we have some other1options too for any of our subscribers1who want to move formed with other1topics but these are topics that we want1to dive into and spend our hour hour and1a half discussing these technical items1with regards to the Building Code2everything from spatial separation to2trust bracing and roof systems we really2want to get a good mix of part 9 part 32and the building code Act so these are2the type of discussions that we want to2have as we move forward to sort of give2us a good discussion piece and have us2all discussing what our opinions are on2this particular topic so stay tuned2these are what you're looking forward to2as you sign up for our new subscription2here's what you get when you sign up for2the subscription seven months of2bi-weekly courses 21 plus hours of2technical training now sometimes we go2hour and a half so it's going to be 302hours or 31 hours depending on the topic2that we do2unlimited replays of the webinars we're2gonna give you personal PDFs of each2class see PDP points of course are going2to be provided for every session that2you have and certificates of completion2so that will definitely help you as you2move forward into 2020 with all of your2training needs that's what we really2want to do is have us all talking about2technical stuff that's the way we're2going to get better is by having these2fantastic technical discussions now if2you're an Oh Oh a a member an architect2of course that you have to submit2personally but for us of the Oh boa we2do everything for you and I thought we2talked to Mike Leonard the other day he2said please please tell everybody not to2call the O boa office our first couple2of webinars they had over 200 calls and2they were getting an oh my goodness2what's going on out there so we do it2for you as long as we have your email2are sorry your oh boa number one time we2keep it on record and that every time2you're here we're gonna submit for you2your o boa points the number of hours is2the number of points I was a little Miss2concurrent at the first webinar if it's2one and a half hours it's one and a half2points so it's really how many hours is2contributed to the point and of course2us at RSM we are going to process this2for you so no problem we'll send it in2and make sure that you've got all of2your points added to the system2this is a typical poll that we have for2this for our sessions that we have here2and I want to know what is your role as2a building code practitioner of course2it gives us a bit of an idea again who's2in the audience so as I'm talking as2Mandy and I are sort of discussing2things today it gives us a better idea2of who we're talking to so that we can2kind of trigger and focus our2conversations on that particular type of2background and what do we got for some2stats here Mandy what do we got a 61%2building inspectors 30% play examiner so2one engineer2our engineer technologist all those and2a few that fit into their own category2actually a little bit higher than we've2had in the past I think okay fantastic2so it looks like we've got higher in2those other sections and after a poll2once we're done the poll we publish the2poll so if you're interested in the2stats if you look over on the right-hand2side you'll notice some red dots if you2click on that particular red dot which2is polls you're going to be able to see2what the stats were so that's really2what you want to do is you want to enter2your information into the poll and as we2go through this particular webinar2you're gonna have some gonna have2several polls there so it'll give us an2idea of who what's going on and they'll2give you an idea who's in the audience2also and let's practice again on our2next poll how comfortable do you feel2working through OBC issues related to2change abuse and renovations this could2be a and you know what I think we're2gonna see a good spread here because I2know a lot of people struggle with it so2what do we have so far for the numbers2Mandy I would say about sixty percent2are somewhat comfortable but I find it2difficult to navigate various issues and3then some 30% fairly comfortable but3they'd like to compare notes and and3percent not very okay alright so it3looks like the good thing is we've got3some people with some experience in the3group and that's fantastic so as we're3going through these slides and having3these discussions on this particular3topic make sure you add your questions3in there you add some chat so that we3can see what's going on in your minds as3we move through these particular topics3and of course on the right hand side3we'll publish the poll for you so you3understand who's in the audience and3what's going on so here's the3Genda we're gonna talk about change of3use of part 10 that's the first topic we3want to talk about then of course I want3to dive into renovations and change of3views in part 11 and part 11 this3section is going to be a little bit3deeper we're going to talk about3proposed construction these are the3things that you want to do we're going3to be talking about evaluation and3compensating construction these are the3things you need to do and then of course3compliance alternatives which are some3areas of relief that are given to3existing buildings in certain situations3so these are the topics that I want to3dive into today as we go through this3part 11 10 11 story the confusing path3the confusing path always is with part310 and 11 especially in part 11 is how3do I apply the building code for a3particular project and it can get very3confusing do I apply new product or new3code provisions to this particular3project even though it's an existing3building or how do I apply certain new3provisions to certain things and not to3other things so this is the confusing3path that we seem to always have when3we're looking through these part 10 113issues renovations okay we've got a3Renault is it a new requirement do I go3to the compliance alternatives do it3where do I go here and then how does3change of use affect this do I worry3about a part 10 permit such a tent3change of use permit when I'm dealing3with a part 11 issue these are the3questions that always seem to arise as3people are going through these3particular issues and and I think this3is the this is the crux of the part 10311 story is getting stuck between all3these different worlds I know when3you're doing any of these OVC exams one3of the things that makes it very3difficult in this section is you almost3have to know new code in order to apply3part 11 and so you really have to be a3bit of a connoisseur of the entire code3in order to really apply part 10 and 113to your particular project we are going3to be talking a little bit I know in a3question on on 317 and 940 of the3building code we're not going to be3drilling deep but we are going to have3some good discussions3on that so which door do I choose how do3I apply it so here's a of another poll3we have here to get an idea of the3understanding of change of use so again3on your right hand side you're going to3notice that there is some polls and I3need to know a renovation which includes3change of use would require what permits3issued by the chief building official so3would it be a change of use permit under3Section 10 1 of the Act a building3permit under section 8 1 of the building3code Act or would you need to have both3this is the question and I think why I'm3sort of stepping through these issues is3I think this is a really good way of3helping people understand of how it's3applied and what do we have for our3numbers on this particular poll Mandy ah3looks like wait we're in quite a bit3actually though 45 percent of people say3building permit under 8 10 40 percent3both and 13 change of the use permit3okay excellent3well this is good so if you look again3on the right-hand side you'll see the3results of the poll and you'll see4really it looks like a split everybody4thinks that you issue an eight one4Building Code Act permit or it could be4both so it seems to be split doesn't4seem to be many people but think or feel4that we need to issue a change of use4permit under Section 10 okay4now I will have to say that why are4people saying that this needs to be a4building permit I think they're saying4that because I said the word renovation4right and I think when you say4renovation you're saying construction4and when we have to do construction that4is the key so I'm in this particular4case I definitely see that you would4require a building permit under Section48 1 of the Act only because we're doing4construction so that's great it's great4to see that we've got some sub mix here4but we're gonna talk about this4particular poll as we move forward so I4think the key4is with a change of use is that when4we're in section 10 of the Act which4sends us generally to part 10 of the4building code Act is that we're dealing4with no construction this is very clear4in the Building Code act or in the4Building Code act when we're dealing4with this so what I've done here is I4provided a little bit of a roadmap and4of course this roadmap is specific to a4change of use and when we do a change of4use we want to make sure we're using the4right sections of the code again this is4the important part about part 10 and 114is finding the correct path not getting4off the wrong path because if you go to4a code provision that's not specifically4detailed you're not in the right spot so4under Section 10 one of the active talks4about this concept of a change is and it4indicates that if you have a change of4major occupancy that increases the4hazard then you have a situation where4you need to comply with part 10 of the4Act and of course compliance is dealt4with in the code and then we need to4evaluate part 10 is really an evaluation4it's simply somebody with a clipboard4going through each of these sections and4saying is there an issue here is there4an issue here or is there no issue here4and when we go through this evaluation4we either come out the other side with4one of two things you either come out4the side of a change of use permit under4Section 10 or you might be kicked out4they may say you can't meet this4provision of part 10 you're going to be4kicked out and now we need a building4permit because you need to do4construction and of course change of use4has no construction in part 10 so I4think when we look at the pole that is4the reason why people answered that it4was a building permit because the the4concept of doing a renovation takes you4right out of part 10 so it's good to see4that there is some people that have some4really good knowledge of how to apply4part 10 so essentially part 10 one of4the Act tells us that if you have no4construction you increase the hazard you4need a permit and that's the scenario of4a change of use I can tell you in my4career I've probably issued on one hand4the number of chain like hardly any4change of use per4the reason being is I always look at4this as like a minefield if you can get4through that minefield without getting4blown up you'll get a change of use4permit but it is very difficult to do4that because as we go through the4scenarios and the evaluations the the4part tent is going to tell us hey you've4got a lowering of a reduction of4performance level I'm kicking you out4you're gonna have to go to part 10:11 so4that's the key here is that you want to4make sure that when you're dealing with4change of use there's no construction4sometimes people want to do construction4on their own so they want to do4construction well if they've already4once they push that construction button4you don't go to part ten you go to part4115because part eleven is dealing with5construction and don't worry about the5change of use issues part eleven is5essentially a little it is a part ten5but with construction so when we're5dealing with a change of use permit we5really want to make sure that it's no5construction and that is very clear and5that's why most of the time we don't5have a situation where there's no5construction all right okay5so if you have that situation where5there's no construction then you're5going to be on your way to a change of5use permit and good luck because it's5not easy to get one ah so the code tells5us that when you have a change of major5occupancy that has an increase in hazard5that's when you need the permit so to5remind you again at the very top5left-hand side of the slides we always5put the quote references for the issues5that were discussing and in this5particular case it tells us what a5increase in hazard is so if you had a5change of use with no increase of hazard5no construction there's no permit needed5for a change of use under Section ten5one but if you have an increase in5hazard then you are triggered of course5to have this permit now there's a table5in the code that tells us if we go from5an assembly occupancy to a industrial5occupancy it'll have a why it'll say yes5I it is an increase in hazard therefore5we have a change of usurper5of course if you change a residential5occupancy from one to multiple or more5than one group see residential occupancy5doesn't seem like a change abuse but the5code defines it as one so when we're5dealing with our secondary Suites if5somebody wants to do an apartment in the5basement and they don't want to do a5stitch of construction they don't want5to do anything however the fact of5changing that so there is more than one5residential suite that's going to5trigger a change of use permit likely is5gonna require construction and they're5going to get picked out of part ten5anyways5so that's the idea of the C's farm5buildings if you have a farm building5and you change it to a non farm5that is going to be a change of use an5interesting story one year where I had a5gentleman who had a farm building we set5up a golf course in his foreign building5and as I started discussing this with5him he said well come on in the barn and5I went in the barn and lo and behold it5was an actual bar and this gentleman had5done nothing other than adds some5fridges and freezers and put some beers5in there with a bar but that's a change5of views because if you change it from5farm to non farm that triggers that5requirement assembly to a casino you5changed it to a post-disaster building5say you have a warehouse and your fire5department comes to you and says hey I5want to move the fire trucks in there5that's a change of view even though5there's no construction and of course5back in 20 was around 2018 that have5been a little bit before there was a lot5of retirement home provisions that were5added into the building code so what5they did was they said if you change a5residential occupancy to a retirement5home under the retirement homes Act that5is it changing so really what ten of the5code is trying to do is this trying to5look at use and deal with the issue of5life safety items because if it was say5if it was a farm building you change it5to non farm there's some real life5safety issues give you an example these5wedding barns definitely there's some5life safety issues they want the look of5the barn they probably won't change5anything5but what they want to do is is have the5wedding there and of course life safety5issues will be triggered through part5through a change of views so here's the5path here's the path in this story I5have no construction let's go to the5part ten house alright let's go to the6part ten host so when we go to this part6ten house the only people in this6particular group that are going to the6part tenth house are the ones that are6doing absolutely no construction if as6someone's doing construction guess what6they're not allowed to go to the part6tenth house they're gonna be set to the6part 11th house so that's something to6definitely understand when we're dealing6with part 10 change of views so all6these people in line know construction6when we get into the part 10 house we6have this guy he's called the6performance level evaluator and what he6does is he asked specific questions in6order to find out if they're allowed to6stay in the part ten house and get that6change of you section ten permit but6guess what a reduction in performance6level is not permitted in the part ten6house definitely not permitted as soon6as you have that issue you're going to6be kicked out so again it's like a6landmine that's like a landmine field if6you can get through it and you have no6reduction to performance level good for6you you've made yourself a and you've6gotten yourself from the chief building6official a change of use permit we don't6do a lot of work in part ten because a6lot of times people want construction so6let's do another poll how do you6evaluate the performance level in part610 so we're dealing with part 10 it6always talks about this reduction in6performance level and so what I want to6find out from everybody is how do you6evaluate this performance level in part610 so if you look on the right-hand side6you'll notice that there is the poll6again and I have three different6situations there and three different6answers the evaluation is desert is6determined by the chief building6officials experience or the evaluation6is determined by the designers6experience or the evaluation is6determined6by the code what do we have for our6answers here Mandy so there it was a6hundred percent determined by the cold6but now it's starting to waver bit down6to 95 okay okay all right so what are a6couple people unsure well it looks like6what is it not is it of almost 956percent yeah okay so 95 percent I think6I agree with you when we're evaluating a6performance level it's determined by the6code it's not determined by your gut6it's not determined by your feelings if6you look at a particular issue you say6to yourself well I don't really think6that's the same performance level that's6really that's really not the the purpose6of this evaluation the evaluation is6very specific in part 10 where it tells6you where there is a reduction in6performance level so when you're in part610 and you're going through you have to6go through the list of items to6determine whether or not there is a6reduction in performance level and what6you'll notice on this particular slide6that I have here is I have six different6categories that determine whether or not6you reduce the performance level in part610 I've given you a general discussion6piece on this here so we can have a6general discussion on it and of course a6number one structural if the new6occupancy won't and the supporting6structure will not support the new dead6or live loads created by the new6particular occupation then it doesn't6work where you need to go you need to go6to part four of the entire building code6and it'll tell you what type of loads6you need for every particular type of6occupancy so when you look at that6particular occupy chart and believe it's6four one five three of the building code6it'll say if you now have an office6occupancy you need this loading now if6you've converted a house to a office6structural engineer it needs to do a6review you can't all you can't just sort6of assume that6the loading even if it was done earlier6so so if you had something was built7really old and it was an office building7but then now it's being built as an7assembly occupancy we can't sort of take7a guess we have to have that evaluated7now there is one provision that talks7about the fact that if you post a sign7and that sign indicates the maximum7loading on the floor that that also can7not trigger a reduction of performance7level and I think the the difficulty I7find is that if I walked into a building7with a sign saying maximum 50 pound7floor loading I think to myself what7does that mean what what is that like7the layperson doesn't know so sometimes7a lot of discussion comes down what you7should do for that you know I know I saw7on the list that we have a few7structural engineers in our group today7so maybe that would be the question is7is there are we able to get a situation7where instead of saying maximum loading7on the side are you able to do7calculations to say this is the maximal7occupant load to meet that structural7design because I think that something a7layperson will understand is that7there's a maximum occupant load what I7like about that too is that we can tie7that to the occupant load that's based7on liquor license approvals the fire7department themselves that are always7dealing with occupant loads so it would7be something that could be very easily7enforced moving ahead in the future I7like that I see I got a few people that7are coming through in the chat that are7saying a maximum occupant load I like7that do because I think it does give us7a real clear number of how to achieve7this so in this particular case they7would have to ensure that they do not7have a reduction of performance level7based on that structural issue early7warning and evacuation systems need to7be evaluated so we need to take out that7clipboard we need to review that7particular design and when we review the7design we need to make sure that the7early warning and evacuation systems and7we get a chart that's at the building7code are they met this early warning and7evacuation charts essentially sends you7two sections of part 9 and part three so7this is the key we don't go directly to7part three or part nine we have to go to7part ten first and7part 10 tells us exactly what provisions7have to apply to this particular7building so that's the issue we want to7have with regards to early warning and7evacuation of course hazard index few of7you anyone who's done the legal exam you7learn all about hazard indexes so if you7have an occupancy with a higher hazard7index in relation to the construction7index then we also have a reduction of7performance level and the evaluator is7going to kick you out of part ten as7soon as he finds out that you have that7situation7residential combustible construction if7you have an old building that's made of7wood but would require it under three to7two in part three to be non combustible7then that is a reduction in performance7level and you're going to be kicked out7major occupancies and retirement homes7definitely there's separations between7major occupancies7and there's this issue of having a7retirement home from some other type of7Ocwen see like residential that's going7to trigger a reduction of performance7level and of course to finish it off in7our rural areas septic and sewage7systems if you trigger if you have an7issue where your sewage system capacity7won't be fulfilled by the daily flow7then you will of course also have an7issue there and the part ten evaluator7is going to kick you and give you the7boot out of part ten and you are then7going to have to do construction and7when you have to do construction you've7got to go to part 11 so that's the key7part ten really tells you whether you7could stay there7and if you can't stay there you have to7do construction in order to fulfill the8issues so you're going to be kicked out8into part ten so some good conversation8here Gerald is that I believe some8structural engineers are saying that8they are specifying maximum occupant8loads but a few other good comments is8to you know look at the occupancy that8you're dealing with and it might include8more than just persons oh I see you know8whatever is not rail or space depending8on the occupancy might might also be8something to look at and keep in mind8okay excellent no that's a good point so8if you've got an occupancy you know8there's gonna be a lot of heavy8equipment always there then you should8incorporate that into the occupant load8calculation so it might reduce that8occupant a little bit very good8excellent now that's great I'm glad8everybody's using the chat button on the8side here definitely give us your8opinions it shows us your opinions and8it also helps the group we're all sort8of hanging out and having some great8discussions on how we can all make it8better one of the things I know that a8lot of designers struggle with part 108and 11 is tell us what you're doing when8we're going through this evaluation8really the designer needs to go through8each of these categories that I have on8the slide and and tell us whether or not8there's a reduction in performance level8and then if is there is a reduction of8performance level then how does that8how's that being addressed so again we8have done some good discussions on our8first webinar about a building code8matrix and you know there is some8building code matrix out there of course8for three and nine the part 11 and part810 matrix matrices are there and I think8we need to use them and and to be clear8on how you're dealing with these8particular issues I'll be honest with8you though sometimes we get a restaurant8owner that's just moving into an old8record store and they may not have a8designer on board or they have a8designer that doesn't have a lot of8experience with changes this is what I8see a lot of and and trying to work8through these issues with the lay person8who may not know these items can be a8little bit difficult but I think having8somebody on board that understands the8reduction of performance level will help8it go a little bit smoother so we're at8the end of the part 10 journey when we8get to the end of the part 10 journey8essentially you're getting to choose8between two different permits well I'll8be honest you don't get to choose you're8being told by the code but if you have8no reduction in performance level then8we get to issue this fancy change of use8permit and if there's a few building8officials or CBO's out there designers8who have been able to see one of these8things good for you because they rarely8happen put a pin in it that's one for8your career8because getting through that minefield8without having any issues is very8difficult however a good designer8understands where these minefields are8and when they see those they know not to8step on it so they can then help their8client if they don't have a high budget8they can say okay you're allowed to have8you can't have this maximum you can't8have this occupant loan because that's8going to trigger a reduction of8performance level so if we reduce your8occupant load slightly then we can get8through this with the change of use8permit and you really don't have to do8anything to upgrade the building so8excellent your Gerald that oh he's got a8standard matrix but it doesn't include8all the information that we need to do8the evaluation that's a very good point8Matt I like that it does sort of go8through the steps but I think the issue8is it could be a little more detailed I8agree and that might help everybody8understand the process so that you know8when a building official is looking at8these particular items they're less9likely to miss them because they're9articulated on the matrix that's a9really really good point9I wonder Matt have you ever seen a part9ten matrix I haven't it's a very9difficult I don't know if I've ever9actually seen one so that ends our story9with part 10 essentially part 10 is an9exercise of evaluation and a reduction9of performance level isn't permitted if9you get a reduction of performance level9you are kicked out and you have no9choice but to get a building permit and9when we deal with building permits we9have a different compliance path of9course it's going to send us to a9different part of the code the building9permit itself under Section 8 1 of the9Act will send us to division a 1 1 29which talks about the fact of whether or9not we are a building that is greater9that is 5 has been in existence for five9years or has not been in existence for9five years if it's been in existence for9five years then it tells us in the red9box that we must go to9part 11 part 11 deals with all of these9existing buildings that have been in9existence for more than five years if9the building has not been then9essentially the code is going to send us9to all the portions of the code that9deal with new buildings and in9specifically in part 9 and part 3 there9is two sections that deal with change of9use within new buildings and that is in9division B 315 or 940 which is in the9green box on the left-hand side so when9you get to this point you need to decide9ok which way are we going now I always9get the question is the building in9existence when they poured the footing9what is the building in existence from9the time when they occupy I don't know9like you're going to get a difference of9opinion wherever you go and maybe in the9chat if we could get some people telling9us what their thought are on when they9determine that five-year point to be9because it's a big deal it could be you9know a few months or do you worry about9it you know I there's a lot of9municipalities that are dealing with9these change of use issues and are9applying a lot of part 11 provisions to9buildings that are less than five9basically more on policy and more on9consistency but you know it's definitely9something that there's a lot of debate9on so essentially what I'm going to be9working on for the rest of the webinar9is sort of dealing with part 10 or sorry9part 11 only when we're dealing with9these situations and in this situation9we have of course proposed construction9evaluation of compensating construction9and once we get through we get ourselves9a building permit and we're dealing with9part 11 we always have to remember that9there is compliance alternatives which9we're going to talk a little bit later9to so I think if you could categorize9this you are able to understand how or910 11 is organized because I'll it can9be very difficult when you're going9through these because of the way you're9jumping all over the code you don't read9it from top to bottom you're going to go9to a certain part that's going to jump9you to somewhere else it9be very confusing and convoluted so9here's our next poll when I review and9this will be on the right hand side when9I review or design a renovation project9the following is true I review the9project under part three or nine and9then see if there's any relief at part911 or I review the project under part 119and is your compliance with the required9provisions in part three and nine and of9course first all of us that are new to9this I'm not sure I'm always lost so9give us a thought of where you are going9to be in this particular poll and what9are we looking for here for our numbers9Mandy well we can actually just let9people do the pool poll if you don't9mind Gerald yeah yeah a lot of people9are saying occupancy day so not9everybody but most people are saying our10concei date is the date or building is10in existence a few other comments to10Clayton I don't I don't know if10Clayton's on here today but he was10talking about developing a part of May10tricks through you'll be away I guess I10don't know if he has something I don't10know I don't know if anybody's seeing10that I know certainly miss pilotis have10their own kind of standard matrix form10like it is something that isn't a very10strong Department application that10permit application that's for sure okay10excellent10so no polls 52% review the project under10par 11 and ensure compliance with10required provisions in part three and10nine 41% review the project under part10three nine first and then see if there's10really in part 11 and 5% or not sure10okay excellent well you know what this10is what I wanted to draw out of the10crowd because I think this is a very10good distinction on this particular poll10here is that you know are you going to10part three or nine first and then10checking for any relief where you going10the other way around and that's I think10one of the biggest things I think that10we can get10today's Chad when we're talking about10these issues is which way you're10supposed to go and there should be a10good and you definitely need to find the10right direction or you're going to get10yourself lost in part eleven very very10quickly so here's my answer this is a10good graphic worked on this for a long10time to try to understand and try to get10that concept but I think you need to10look at the fact that part eleven is the10key a gatekeeper this is the person who10tells you where to go10you can't go meet mister part 9 part six10three eight and four without going10through part eleven very clear in the10code that the idea is here is if you're10more than in existence for more than10five years you have to go to part eleven10and then you are told which appropriate10areas that comply to this existing10building from there so if you are going10directly to part three directly to part10nine and looking for relief you are10actually going the wrong way you need to10go to part eleven first if part eleven10doesn't tell you to go to a specific10code provision then you're not allowed10to go there and it's not perfect it's10not applicable to the particular project10so I think this is definitely something10that you want to sort of get from this10particular discussion today is that part1011 is the gatekeeper they will be the10ones to tell you where to go so you10definitely have two on your journey for10part 11 compliance so you have to make10sure that you go through part 11 and10then be appropriated to the appropriate10section so that's definitely something10that you have to understand okay so I10think this is something that we're gonna10have a good talk about because I think10there really is a good spread here on10how people have been applying part 1110and I'll be honest with you the debate10of sound is is is long and hard-fought10with regards to especially our secondary10Suites and I think when we're looking at10applying sound provisions through a10secondary suite I would challenge10anybody to find where you can go to10found through part 11 and you know it10might be a tough pill to swallow for10some people because they're like how can10they not apply sound to a new suite well10it's because the code doesn't require it10that I you know sometimes I don't know10why you know the rules are made10specifically but I think the idea is10this is an older building there is some10ease of construction that's been10provided to them and having to rip out10existing floor systems in order to put10in sound provisions might be is very10onerous so that's something to keep in10mind when we're looking at these part 1110provisions as we go to part 11 first and10then we see what particular new sections10apply to the building code the question11here gerald how does it work when11they're doing renovations new11construction are you advocating that11code requirements to that new11construction within the existing11building has to go to part 11 and only11the other parts when sent there that is11correct11when you go to part 11 it is going to11tell you when you can go to other parts11now sometimes if you're doing a new11building system or something yes it's11going to send you to part three or nine11or if you do an addition it's sending11you to part three or nine but the the11gist of it is yes you have to go through11the gatekeeper in order to get back to11any of the new code provisions that are11proposed in the code so I've split part1111 into three different areas and this11is the way I always consider and always11the way I look at it it's the wants the11needs and the relief under 11 3 proposed11construction you have your wants I want11to add this new kitchen or sometimes11it's I tried to get through part 10 and11I got kicked out so now I'm forced to do11something but I want to have this change11of views but essentially the wants when11you're in part 11 I want to remove this11floor system I want to remove this I11want to build this so that's the watts11which is talked about in 11 3 of11proposed construction11then there's the needs there's the11things that you are forced to do through11evaluation this section is very much11like part 1011that's why don't worry about part 10 if11you're in part 11 because part 1111essentially is the same type of thing as11part 10 so these are the needs we're11going to evaluate the existing building11and if there's certain triggers that are11hit then you are going to be required to11do what's called compensating11construction and that is the needs third11is we have the relief the relief is11essentially the new code would require X11we're going to allow you to do Y because11it's an existing building and we're11going to provide some relief for that11section so and that's in eleven five so11that is the three particular areas and11how I split up part three in my they are11part 11 in my particular situation is to11get these three things through my head11so when we start talking about the Watts11we have to talk about building systems11themselves so at the very beginning of11part 11 it gives us what a defined11building system is and of course it11could be a stair system foundation11system roof system HVAC system plumbing11system insulation system it gives us all11these particular sections that talk11about what a building system is so when11you're doing something or you're11altering or you're installing a new11building system different rules apply so11you have to understand this concept of a11building system in order to apply it for11any particular element that's being11designed or constructed that constructed11under part ten sorry part 11 of the11building code so building systems it11tells us that an existing building11system you can repair or you can alter11and you need to have an equal or better11performance level now I think the key11here is is it doesn't talk about a11reduction in performance level in this11particular case the way I see it you can11use your feelings you can use your11feelings here because it's not11specifically giving us a particular11trigger of a reduction of performance11level so if I take a stare like this11particular beautiful one we have in11front of us it was built in 1901 and11they want to alter it they want to11repair it then they just can keep the11existing performance level they could11have railings that may not be 36 inches11high or the required new code they are11repairing or they're altering an11existing building system so in this11particular case you can paint it you can11pretty it up it's allowed to stay and11this makes sense of course because we as12the code changes throughout the years12we're not applying new code to a lot of12our existing infrastructure so if it's12an existing building system it needs to12meet the equal or better performance12level based on the experience of between12the contractor the building official and12the designer that is sort of evaluated12based on that questions come out Gerald12is installing a new elevator considered12a new building system I would say so it12wasn't there before and it's definitely12a new element to the building so I think12that definitely that would be a new12building system so that would send us12prompt back to other parts we have a new12or an extended building system in a12building so it right away12in part 11 like we said we go to part 1112first then it sends us to other parts so12it's going to send us back to part three12nine four whatever the element is so12this particular stair here it's extolled12in a old building but it is a new stair12then it would need to comply with part12nine of the building code so I think12that definitely is something to consider12here is that that's how the path works12part eleven then back to other parts now12there are12exceptions and those exceptions are of12course we'll talk about later basic12renovations and compliance alternatives12you always have to keep that in the back12your mind especially with compliance12alternatives you think that's from the12modern modern family that stair could be12a nice work talk12so what so marry another person here12what if the stair is built with a permit12oh that's a tough one Mary um yeah if it12was built without a permit that's the12key that's a policy for the municipality12but my opinion it was never built under12the auspices of any type of approval or12any type of oversight so I would12consider it a new building system now I12know there's a lot of discussion that we12have based on a municipalities liability12and the statute of limitations and how12far back they'll go but I think12technically for the you know for the12purposes of code compliance I would say12it's under a new building system because12nobody you know if it was built with a12permit in 1860 which we had no permits12in 1860 but that was okay but you know12if it was built in the 80s we have12building codes in the eighties and they12decided to not get a permit now they12have to legalize it so definitely it's12it can go back and forth but in my12opinion it would be a new building12system there's a few other comments here12about barrier-free12requirements I'm not sure if you get12into that actually Gerald so12requirements from new universal water12closet by some municipalities is this12new systems yeah we're going to talk12about that for sure12gotta come out to that you know I think12if we have a brand new washroom being12installed that wasn't installed there12before I think it's pretty hard to say12that's an existing or an extended12building system I think if we have a new12washer that's totally in a different12location I think it's a no-brainer to me12that it is a new building system so12basic renovations the code talks about12two different types of renovations a12basic and extensive well we're dealing12with basic renovations it gives us12statement.the talks about were allowed12to reuse relocate or extend the same or12similar materials so if we have a12particular building or a staircase is12the the typical debate of guards is one12of them that is had through many12municipalities if you had a guard that12was only two feet high we would agree12that's an existing building system you12can reuse that you could relocate it or12you can extend it that's permitted as12long as you maintain the existing12performance level now again this to me12is your feelings there is no specific12reduction in performance level12articulated in this particular section13so you would be looking at it are we13maintaining the existing performance13level now it's not the performance level13of today with our guards because it's13too short but it definitely is13maintaining the existing performance13level however on the flip side there is13the arguments that can be made and it's13based on the statement goes on to say is13that if you do that reuse or relocation13is that it cannot adversely affect the13early warning and evacuation systems13fire separations structural adequacy or13an unhealthy environment and I know some13municipalities make the call that13allowing them to keep or extend that13two-foot-high railing is an unhealthy13environment so that's what they're using13but I think there definitely is some13onus here to allow for especially we're13dealing with heritage conservation the13code does allow us some flexibility with13keeping those features even though they13may not meet the requirements of today's13code yes I'm making some enemies on my13judgments yes yes I and some friends -13thanks that's odd good comment but that13definitely is a debated concept and and13please don't be too hard on me if you13are on the other side of that but you13know it definitely gives us a good13discussion so that municipalities can13make their decision designers can decide13on what they feel so that there can be13some educated discussions on whether or13not these basic renovations meet certain13provisions13question here Gerald a new residential13suite in the basement of a single-family13dwelling greater than five years old13does the existing exterior bare concrete13walls require insulation well I think if13we go through the scenario we've13discussed we look at the fact that the13existing walls that are bare are13existing it's an existing building13system and when we're dealing with an13existing building system we have to13maintain the same or better performance13level and I think we can agree that the13bare concrete walls staying bare after13has the same performance level of before13or after your particular renovation so13that's in proposed construction when we13start to go through the evaluation13that's the second step we see do we need13to upgrade so we're allowed to keep13existing do we need to upgrade I think13you're gonna find that insulation is not13a evaluation and an upgrade that's that13we go through so in my opinion here I13would say that if someone has an old13building with no insulation they choose13to keep no insulation then that is13permitted under part 11 of the code13there's a few other questions here but13they're pretty specific so I'm just13gonna leave those to the end for now I13flag them though so perfect all right13when we're dealing with extensive13renovations the code talks about the13fact that if you have walls floors13ceilings and roots and they are13substantially removed and replaced but13two areas you're sent to four other13parts fire resistance and structural so13right away if you do this particular13issue you have to go to the new code for13the structural issues and the fire13resistance and I don't see sound in here13so I think this is one of the issues13with that comes up with sound is that13we're sent for structural and fire13resistance so that is where we're being13said so the floor system if it was13extensively removed and reinstalled13we've got to make sure that it meets the13structural requirements13of course if it's removed and we need a13fire separation due to an issue of the13suite below then we have to have that in13accordance with new code but keep in13mind at the very end is we always have13compliance in some cases we have13compliance alternatives a good13discussion13pavel about of what is extensive I think13that really comes down to to the13judgment and that one can be a tough one13to do I think what I noticed on this14particular provision of the code is you14know some people say well I removed just14the drywall in the ceiling is that14substantial well when you look at the14provisions of the code it specifically14says ceilings14it doesn't say walls floors and roofs by14themselves it has ceilings in there so14this couldn't be a controversial one but14I think the fact that ceilings is listed14there kind of puts an onus on the fact14when you remove any type of ceiling14system that's attached to the floor14there may be an issue here where you14need to now comply with the fire14resistance elements in the particular14suite now I had a discussion with14another building official I think14Jonathan's out there we had a discussion14on the order of which things are done14sometimes we have if you have a14situation where a contractor removes the14ceiling and then later on tries to apply14the relief provisions through that can14be difficult in the end you would say14well what's the big deal but if you14follow the path of the code if they took14the old ceiling down it's going to force14them to have the fire resistance new14requirements as opposed to leaving the14ceiling and then they may get some14relief when we do the evaluation to let14it be 45 minutes as opposed to an hour14so sometimes that can get a little bit14tricky and part 11 - is with the order14of which the work is being done and how14things like existing provisions are14detailed so there's a comment question14here of current performance level is14greater than current code would require14can performance level be reduced to14current code level14I think I know which area you're talking14about I hope I get it but I know there's14a provision in the code now especially14with regards to assembly occupancies14where the Forest System if you go14through part three would require14something like an hour but if you go14through the part hazard indexes and the14compensating construction it says an14hour and sprinklered now that's a tough14one14I know I've struggled with that one for14years and and in some particular14situations based on the project I've14permitted the new code requirements I14don't know whether that's right or wrong14and maybe there might be some chatter on14that but I have a hard time getting the14thinking that it should be more onerous14for part 11 than a standard new building14so I have done that in in that cases is14I haven't applied both provisions but14you know that definitely is something14that it can be debated so I just happen14to notice here there's a question for14marca what if you removed and replace14the ceiling in order to repair an14existing fire separation upgrade well14make mark if you were if you repent if14you remove the sealing membrane you're14removing your possible allowances in14part 11 relief in order to give you some14breaks I think you want to make sure14that you have to keep any existing14elements may give you some relief later14if you start ripping it down and pulling14it all apart that relief may be thrown14out the window because now you're having14to put on a new building system a lot of14stuff in here Cheryl just in terms of14just that just what you were speaking to14people are still I think I'm clear a14little bit about when you do remove14something or when you're speaking of a14ceiling would that really be considered14in basement apartments when the system14you are rating from the underside is14actually a floor system not a ceiling14yeah that that's a tough one you know14and some of the times when we're looking14for for our wisdom of where we can go14and we just keep reading the same14sentence over14and over again to see if we can get14something out of it that we didn't14before14it is definitely I'll tell you this14ceiling issue is definitely something15that is widely discussed to me I think15when you apply the provisions of a15secondary suite the issue of replacing15that ceiling comes up a lot and I really15do say that if you replace the ceiling15ceilings are specifically listed in the15code but that entails you've removed15substantially removed two ceiling that's15my thought on it maybe there's some15other thoughts in the group but that15ceiling itself has been articulated so I15I don't think you could say well I only15took the drywall down from the floor15system so the floor wasn't substantially15removed I think there's a reason why the15code writers put in ceilings but I don't15know who those people are we might have15to ask a few questions from them but we15typically don't get more direction other15than what the code tells us you know I15really I see a couple questions about15the ceiling as a separate building15system I can't I I do15I really think again like I said it's15specifically listed in part 11 as under15some extensive renovation so you know15that's my thought on it is because of15the theme specifically listed this is15good this is a good debatable provision15here on these extension extensive15renovations with regards to expression15that ceiling membrane becomes it comes15up quite a bit when we're dealing with15extensive renovations it kicks in some15upgrades we're not going into the15evaluation section yet it right away15triggers you some specific upgrades they15are your free residential building15provisions and retirement homes so if we15talk about barrier-free this is15definitely something that is widely15discussed but if you substantially15remove floors walls and ceilings and15there's three triggers or so there's15there's a three I told you the one where15you substantially remove the walls and15fleurs ii is there more than 8 inches15from grade to the floor level and the15third provision is 300 square meters if15you're greater than 300 square meters if15you meet all three of those provisions15then you need to upgrade the floor right15to barrier-free provisions anything that15you're removing so if it's a new15bathroom a handicapped bathroom if it's15a new office on that floor because it's15a new wall in the office if any of those15existing particular existing walls15aren't being removed then okay but if15you have new offices and new board rooms15new lunch rooms then this extensive15renovation provision is going to get in15the requirements of barrier-free15now you need to meet all three of those15provisions it's not just one of them so15you have a close enough Florida grade15you are large enough to accommodate the15barrier-free provisions and three you15are moving the walls and doors walls and15sub floors so that forces you into these15barrier-free provisions now even if you15don't need it so say if you have an15extensive renovation and you don't meet15those three you also have to look at15what I call the barrier free light15provisions these are the provisions that15aren't fully barrier free but it still15forces requirements like sink clearances15grab bars for toilets so you either have15full barrier free or you have barrier15free light when you do these extensive15renovations15financial buildings if you go above a15certain storey height then it's going to15trigger some sprinkling of the building15and retirement homes if you change to a15retirement home it's going to trigger15some spread during requirements some15door closers and a few other15requirements so when we're dealing with15these three particular provisions in15extensive renovations you are going to15be definitely increasing the15requirements there you know there's some15good discussion that seems to be coming15up on the assemblies which I'm liking is15that there seems to be some debate and15disagreement with my ceiling opinions15which is it's good to see the differing15opinions is that you know a lot of them16are saying assemblies include the16ceiling membrane so that wouldn't that16not be an assembly so there's a lot of16good debate on on this particular issue16huh yeah that's a that's a good question16I got a question here about what if the16building was barrier free previously and16you're no longer required to meet the16very free requirements if you don't meet16all three provisions I I know that the16ministry has struggled with this and I16know that they have been given and16working with a few minutes of Powys16we've asked for their opinion it16are very free anymore how can that be16right I don't think that's the intent of16the code but so I think the municipality16needs to make a particular policy on16that because I don't think that's the16the intent but certainly the way the16code is written it seems like a way to16maybe stick handle around those16barrier-free requirements which I don't16think is the intent the intent is if16your building is big enough it's close16enough to grade and you're removing you16move these walls around but barrier-free16needs to apply there's a lot of16discussion here Gerald I'm having a hard16time keeping up here with all the16questions well what we can do is as we16go through this information the the16people that want to stay we can sort of16maybe step through these things and16tackle it at the end of the presentation16we'll keep going through the material16and we'll come back to it so we have16another poll the next poll is how do you16evaluate the performance level in part1611 so on the right-hand side make sure16you click your poll button and oh I16screwed up here I think and stop the16poll let me go back how do you evaluate16the performance level in part 1116if you've already answered answer again16unfortunately I clicked the wrong button16here the evaluation is determined by the16building officials experience the16evaluation is determined by the16designers experience the evaluation is16determined by the code16okay so we've just talked about proposed16construction these are the things that16people want to do either basic or16extensive renovations now we're going to16get into the section of the code that16talks about evaluation and compensating16construction so I think we have a really16good understanding here don't we of the16group Bob Andy yeah yeah looks like16everybody16got it yeah the evaluation is to turn by16the code that's what we seem to be16getting for the answer on this16particular poll here and that's true16that's the way we want to look at it we16really want to look at the fact that16there's no feelings in this when we're16dealing with basic renovations there was16a bit of feelings it didn't tell us16exactly how to evaluate that performance16level perhaps maybe that's why it's the16most difficult to understand section but16this particular section here is very16specific on a reduction in performance16level and of course these are the things16that you'd need to do the owners the16designers you necessarily don't want to16do these things but based on what type16of occupancy they are being forced to16provide upgrades so 1142 talks about16this evaluation and it's all about a16reduction in performance level when we16have a reduction we need to do something16about it and of course we need to bring16it back up again if you reduce the16performance level we now have to restore16the performance level and the code calls16this restoration of performance level16compensating construction so we've16reduced it based on all of our questions16we've done our evaluations you've16increased the occupant load above the16requirement of a fire alarm system oh16that's gonna trigger a reduction in16performance level and then it's going to16take us to compensating obstruction and16say oh now you're need gonna need to to16restore it you're gonna need to install16a fire alarm system you know the way17it's particularly organized I don't17really like the way part 11 is organized17in that it has the evaluation up here in17the compensating construction I17typically like to go through the17structural requirements first see what17they all are with the evaluation then I17go down to what's the compensating17construction once I've done that I go up17to occupant load so I go through each17category and I look at the evaluation17first and then I look at what do I do to17restore it by providing that17compensating construction and that's the17typical exercise when we're doing a part1711 analysis17so we're looking through this evaluation17of these beads it's very similar to part17ten so really we're applying that part17petal of provisions to our eleven17buildings so structural same deal if you17reduce the performance level based on17octave it load or a change of occupancy17then it's going to trigger specific17compensating construction typically what17does that mean an evaluation by a17structural engineer to ensure that the17new loads can be accommodated by this17change of use or posting the sign and we17had a bit of discussion on what we17should do when we post that sign and a17lot of people seem to be the opinion and17I agree that we should try to associate17that with occupant load keeping in mind17some other type of equipment that might17be on that floor but definitely a17structural engineer will be someone that17will be looking at all these particular17provisions to ensure that the proper17sign and occupant load is set the next17provision is occupant load the 15% is17that trigger number if you increase that17occupant law at higher than fifteen17percent then it's going to trigger a17reduction performance level there's17requirements specific to fire alarm17systems and exit widths so occupant load17is definitely an evaluation that needs17to be done and subsequently from there17if you trigger that it's going to then17throw you into the new code section when17we get into those early warning and17evacuation charts it's going to say okay17you've increased the occupant load now17we have to look at exit widths now we17have to look at the requirement of a17fire alarm system now we have to look at17travel distance requirements in the new17code so this is where again the17gatekeepers part 11 we go to part 1117we've reduce the performance level now17it's being forcing us to go to part 917part 4 or part 3 when we're dealing with17these new coal provisions so that's why17at the beginning when I had that poll17talking about do you go to 3 and 9 first17then look at 11 that's the opposite way17to look at it you want to go to part 1117first then it sends you to those other17appropriate sections17I change our major occupancy of course17if you change the major occupancy then17we're going to be doing a hazard index17evaluation so when we do our hazard17index evaluations based on the type of17occupancy it's going to say well that's17a higher occupant or a higher hazard17index that is going to trigger upgrades17based on those upgrade changes or based17on that if you have a reduction of17performance level this is the section17that also sent you to several areas of17the new portions of the code we have to17look at washrooms which has also looked17at an octave below now we have to relook17at the washroom numbers to make sure we17have to relook at do you have a new pool17in there well the pool needs to be the17spa needs to meet it ventilation17requirements have to be reviewed under17part six so this again is that conduit17where we get to the change of major17occupancy and the compensating17construction is going to send us through17all the appropriate new code provisions17that will apply to this particular17change abuse there was a question17previously Gerald about I'm talking17about just the small medium and large17buildings so when you're using these18hazard index tables I think the question18alluded to perhaps how you determine18whether they're small medium and large18yeah so when you look at the very bottom18of each table you will see a specific18trigger for those three particular sizes18so when you look at small medium or18large now they're not the same for every18occupancy so you need to make sure that18when you pick the hazard index when18you're not that hazard index chart you18go to the very bottom of the hazard18index chart and it's going to show18whether it's a large medium or a large18major or small building based on the18size and number of stories so that will18be at the bottom of the table something18to keep in mind of course is in part 1118it does give hazard index reductions18based on if it faces more than one18Street so there sometimes it's some18reduction so make sure you don't miss18those reductions based on on on medium18or small buildings18you know a good question here I got for18Mary existing occupant mode based on the18table or design and you know that's18definitely can be a debated one to I18know if you go by the words of the code18that an architect or designer can18determine the occupant load for the new18now what was there before that's18definitely you know if there's records18in the municipality that's easy right18does the designer they're not really18designing the old space so I think it18it's not really applicable unless they18have some type of maybe background or18some old documents that can confirm that18ol document low but I think if nobody18gives you an occupant loader you're not18satisfied with it based on records I18think you would probably have to use the18table that would be my thoughts another18question here Gerald there are some18places in part 11 that pushes you to18part three but not part nine if you have18a part nine building can you assume that18you would use the equivalent part nine18references rather than using part three18I would say no I I think you got to be18very specific in part 11 if if you're18sent it to it in part three good if18you're not sent to it in part nine no18because again way I always look at code18is that if you can't write an order if18you can't do a code path through it then18there's no applicable route to get there18and I think that's the importance of18part eleven is that you really have to18read it strictly like a strict18interpretation of this is the code18provision I've been set to part eleven18is a gatekeeper I've been sent only to18this code provision in part nine18Plumbing's pretty easy essentially if18you do any plumbing any new plumbing18you're going to have to comply with part18seven for anyone in the rural areas with18sewage you always have to look at the18provisions of flow of whether the18components of the sewage system or of18the capacity that would meet it of18course if we have single-family18dwellings is triggered by an additional18fixture or number of bedrooms or a18certain square footage 15% is that18number of square footage I think you18really got to be careful on sewage18there's been a lot of municipalities18they're paid out18issues of sewage systems when they18weren't properly upgraded through the18provisions I look at it this way18we all know sewage systems don't last18forever and the code really looks at18this as a way to say hey you're doing an18addition it's time to upgrade or at18least evaluate your system a lot of the18old systems though won't meet today's18provisions so I think very clearly in18the code you need to look at the sewage18system now I don't think you can really18just take a look at the size of the tank18you really need to get an idea of you18know is this an appropriate tank size is18do we have a big enough filter bed do we18have enough pipe in the ground all this18does has to be looked at to ensure that18it meets the requirements combustible19construction of course there's a trigger19that if you increase a building greater19than three stories and residential it's19going to force some requirements for19sprinkler so I think the big issue here19is this is the crux right here this is19the roadway that gets us to the new19building code requirements in part three19part nine and part six you first have to19evaluate once you evaluate then you'd go19to compensating construction and that's19going to send us to those other19particular areas our other idea or sub19concept in the building code is the19relief we talked about the monste19proposed construction we talked about19the needs which is this evaluation and19compensating construction and the last19element of course is these compliance19alternatives the compliance alternatives19can be used in lieu of new code19requirements so if you're required to19have a particular size door in the new19code you can look in these compliance19alternative charts and it may give you a19reduced requirement based on the fact19that it's an existing building and so19you want to always make sure that you19check those compliance alternatives now19the big thing to remember is that based19on the part of the code you're dealing19with there's a difference if you're19dealing with a part three if an issue in19part three four six or eight then the19chief building official19as discretion they are able to say and19have an opinion on whether the19construction difficulty will allow the19use of this reduced provision so in19these particular cases the CBO and the19municipality has some discretion on19whether or not they think these are19applicable while we're dealing with19parts 9 or 12 there is no discretion the19code says that without the chief19building official being satisfied these19can be used so if you're in a part 919building or you're dealing with a part1912 issue there is no discretion the19designers can simply use it I think the19key here is is that if you're using the19compliance alternative it really does19help19although the review process if you use19the number associated with the19compliance alternative you say you know19we're using a certain fire separation19and we're doing it due to see 193 and19that will really help that code passo in19your building code matrix I would list19all your compliance alternatives it's19definitely something that can save you19time with your approvals because the19building official is going to be able to19very quickly follow you along just a19comment here question gerald speaking to19you sometimes when they design they like19to stay within par 3 or part 9 as19opposed to using the compliance19alternatives and the path through part1911 so they're just looking for comment19on this area well you know what I think19if you design it under part 3 sure most19of the time and I really think almost1998% of the time like that one issue we19talked about earlier is that part three19or nine requirements are going to be19more restrictive than part 11 path so I19don't see an issue with somebody19applying part three or nine based in the19fact that it's a more onerous19requirement I have had some discussions19before on someone can someone use part 319here in part 11 path here can they pick19and choose well I think it depends I19think we need to look at each individual19issue and if part 3 is more onerous than19which almost19or part 9 then that's definitely to 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understanding but definitely you21need to do that double check to satisfy21yourself that it complies so what we're21going to do now is we're going to start21with the question and answer session so21some of you have asked questions21throughout the webinar and some of them21that might take a little bit of thought21we might have to dig into the code so if21you want to say it around and discuss21those issues we're happy to do that21or21yeah Gerald there's a there's a lot of21discussion and basically there's a lot21of similar chats for berry free when21that applies when it doesn't and then21back to the ceiling assemblies and21things like what if you have a ceiling21assembly and they want to put pot lights21in some what do you do so I think I21think we can clear off a lot of21questions if you just want to have a21basic can about that yeah I think with21regards to a ceiling and putting in pot21lights you know there are provisions in21the code now this is you know sometimes21when we look at some of these Co21provisions it's not always exactly where21you of the compliance is you look at and21I'll give you an example for a pot light21if you have an existing pot light then21you know it's an existing system there's21some discussion of whether that would be21okay if we apply that to a new building21per se and say it was a steel housed pot21light well we have provisions in the21code for brand new buildings if you have21a steel duct that penetrates a ceiling21membrane and you're actually okay to do21that in sb2 if you look at the21particular chart in SB 2 of openings21through a ceiling assembly membrane21there are provisions that allow no21protection so you could have a 4-inch21hole with you know no protection at all21if you go over a certain size then you21need a thermal barrier on the top face21or the or a fire stop flap so there are21provisions that even allow these a new21building so I think the way I would look21at is if it was a new pot light you21should provide a new provision to it and21it still might be okay to have that pot21light now the new pot lights that we're21seeing are these puck systems that21really have no box behind it it's just a21plastic Pete that's piece of plastic21those I think are an issue you're gonna22have to deal with doing something there22because they're not like an HVAC duct22you know even that's an interpretation22of how I look at it as if it's an HVAC22duct but these small little pucks I22think you would have to provide some22protections there because there is no no22no metal dots coming through it22so what about adding access panels to an22existing ceiling so I you know it's it's22a it's a you know you can look at that22as a new it's not necessarily a new22building system but is if it doesn't22meet any of the compliance alternatives22then a new penetration in a ceiling of22an existing ceiling would then either22have to meet the provisions of SB 2 or22put a rated ceiling panel and don't22forget the compliance alternatives the22compliance alternatives also have some22exceptions for existing now this may not22be an existing one but sometimes when22you have existing openings you look at22you're like oh my goodness22check the part 10 or sorry part 1122compliance alternatives there may be22some relief just back to this discussion22again yeah just what's an assembly and22what's not so definitely it's a variable22it's debatable there's no definition of22it I think really you know as much as we22try to make the code black and white22there definitely is some interpretation22with regards to what an assembly is I22think we you know it is it substantially22removed that's that's another word that22is very difficult to interpret but I22think that comes down to discussions22between the designer and the building22official on what is substantial I do22though think like I've said before it22might be a controversial one but I think22the fact that ceiling is specifically22listed does that mean ceilings need to22be apply separately from a floor system22something definitely food for thought so22Jordans got a question here if we remove22the ceiling and a secondary suite22conversion we are forced to part nine22other parts as for 11:33 to sentence one22however before we fully leave part22eleven eleven five one one two pulls us22back to remain in part 1122because compliance alternative c1222b permits a 15-minute horizontal fire22separation if we install smoke alarms22and interconnect them through both units22so if I remove my existing half-inch22drywall and wanted to replace with new22half-inch drywall I could if I conformed22to see 152 so the estimate here would be22if you take off the drywall but on the22drywall can you still get your22compliance use the compliance22alternative yeah that's that's the22typical fun of part 11 is it sends you22out of part 11 then you can go back to22part 11 when you're using these22compliance alternatives you know what22that particular provision doesn't22specifically say it only applies to22existing ceiling so the way that the22path the way that I see the path being22followed is yes you can use a 15-minute22barrier because you know you need 4522however if you put fire alarms and the22new provisions with forth of strobes and22all bedrooms and all levels you can put22a 15-minute barrier on and it's2215-minute barrier you can find in the22archaic materials manual which talks22about half-inch regular drywall meeting22this provision so I know a lot of22building officials have some struggle22with it a bit because it seems like it's22not quite right you know why can't they22put a new system like a new building but22I think the way part 11 is done I think22that is a viable option someone's put a22comment here someone's got questions on22secondary Suites22second units in particularly replacing22the horizontal fire separation there's a22ministry guideline it looks like that's22posted so the website link has been put22in the chat there yeah that's looking22can refer to as well yeah that's a great22document that the corner goes through22the secondary suite provisions and in22detail so I'm just trying to group all23these questions together23well I suppose what if an existing23condition creates a hazard hazardous23scenario examples in head room height23above a primary exit for a new23basement apartment so when we're dealing23with conversions to a basement apartment23one of the when we do the evaluation of23change of occupancy it could be it23specifically sends us to ceiling height23provisions in part nine so again we've23gone part eleven which sends us tonight23I think it's nine five of room sizes23right so we've been specifically sent23there so I would then want to find that23we have that minimum ceiling height in23the building however like we talked23about before we also have to look at23compliance alternatives and compliance23alternatives I believe allow up to a six23foot five ceiling height within the path23of egress and over the required area of23the room so as long as you meet that six23foot five you are okay through the23compliance alternatives now the National23Building Code also talks about in a23specific situation now we're not dealing23with the National code specifically on23Ontario but it does allow have23allowances for secondary Suites up to23six foot one sometimes so that might be23something to you if you've got a23situation got nowhere to go23maybe propose that to the municipality23but six foot five based on the23compliance alternatives is really as low23as you can go if you have a situation23where it's less than that then it23doesn't comply you may not be able to23have that secondary suite I have seen23before an alternative solution proposed23or something like that as well so no23since working with RSM but in the past23there there was a scenario that it was23just not compliant with the head room23height so an alternative was proposed23and a fruit okay23all right and what did they do do you23remember I think they just had to23identify the low Headroom so advanced do23something like I put brightly colored23tape or paint or whatever whatever the23case was maybe it had in case they hit23their head I don't know that's a good23point though you know in all of our23discussions here the result turned into23solutions that don't fit specifically in23that box so if somebody proposal23a solution that also is an option yeah23gays got to come in here some of the23four-inch pep lights housing art is23metal I've seen many of them do you23consider this much like an octagon box23and if I do I definitely do I if I could23see anything that's similar to another23compliance alternative like an octagon23box and it's a box it's not an octagon23but it's the same type of construction23I would prefer I would then appropriate23that and look at that as compliance with23a like an outlet penetration yes yes I23would23okay I think that kind of clears all of23the assembly discussion points that we23were dealing with I might just go and23starch from the bottom here Gerald23because there's been some questions23sitting here for a while and we'll see23where their discussion leads but some23municipalities require information from23part three for part 11 submissions how23do you deal with that so I'm not sure23what really the question is I'm23wondering if it's part three to23determine additional aspects of the23building so that they can they can see23where the part 11 hazard index and23things like that sit yeah I think that I23think as a as a building official23reviewing it there's a lot of times23where part 11 will send you or refer to23new code requirements like for instance23the one requirement that says if it's23required to be non combustible if it was23new so therefore you need to know the23building area the building height and a23three-to-two article that would apply to23you so sometimes those particular23information is crucial in getting23compliance and of course if your setback24to part 3 from part 1124then those particular aspects need to be24discussed and that's likely why they've24been asked for oh the question so in24addition to that for example24classification 4 3 2 2 2000 yeah yes ok243 2 2 article 2 it yeah I think go ahead24I know I know24I think you're right you need to know24three to two article in order to apply24whether it needs to be not colossal24building I think that's one of the BCAM24exam questions ah there you go24few comments on this too just in in24relation to those who want to mix and24match the use of part three and part 1124so a few comments that some people have24required customers to use all of the24part three or all eleven reason being is24because there are reductions in part24eleven and some added protections in24some areas maybe that way to balance the24reductions in other areas ah yes good24point yeah so I guess that was that24comment on the one requirement that24seems to require more in part eleven24than part three that could because of24some other issues in another area of the24building that have been reduced based on24that yeah so I think that's something24you need to look at if it's over in a24bottle obviously go for it but um very24specific question here what about24reusing a 36-inch door during a part 1124renovation for a group D building in24fact that was yeah I think you know if24it's a brand new barrier free washroom24it's a new building system 36-inch door24only works with the offset hinges that's24an option make them put on the offset24hinges but I think that the requirements24are clear it's that it's 3/8 applies so24you would need the door that has the24proper clearance in that particular case24Dan comments yards Danny Huey had told24me that you can't use both part three or2411 the designer has to choose one24they don't have 11 if they choose to24design under part three I see so choose24one or the other now of course if you go24through part 11 it's going to send you24back to some part 3 provisions but I24could definitely see Danny is a really24really good point there you know24it can get very confusing if you're24picking and choosing okay what is how do24you deal with a large suite the 80024meters squared means subdivided into24three Suites the overall space requires24barrier-free because of the area we see24demising law permits to subdivide and24then separate units it up commits24claiming relief from barrier-free24now I think if we bring up the code24under under 1111 under the barrier-free24provisions and extensive renovation I24think it relates to building or suite so24alright I think yeah and I think when24we're dealing with applying barrier-free24provisions to a building we remember we24have the three items we're stanley24removing the walls in the building it's24got less than eight inches from grade to24the floor level and the suite or24building I believe Nam on there see it's24sweet see that in 11:33 two sentence two24it says the suite has an area greater so24if they're doing an existing building24that's been in existence for five years24and they are breaking it up to area now24here's the thing if it's a fit up it's a24brand new building and the interior of24that suite has never been finished24some of us of polities have different24thoughts on it a lot of them say that24there's been no occupancy permitted in24that suite right when we do a shell24permit it's just a shell and then we do24occupancy permits based on each of the24suite building permits well I think if24you're doing an interior fit up very24free applies if it's an older building24that's been gutted and they've divided24it into three Suites and they are a lot24greater than 300 meters square there is24an argument that barrier-free does not24apply doesn't seem like the right thing24to do but I think on the strict24interpretation there I think24argument is it's not required I don't25mean a comment isn't there applicable25law that deals with barrier-free25no there's well not not specifically no25so it barrier-free is only applied25through part 11 if it meets those25provisions of 3/8 of the building code25there is no applicable law how no25government buildings municipal buildings25they need to comply with it not through25the building code it's through their own25freedom of it through the OAD a25requirement so you may have particular25provisions that they're required but25it's not through the building code here25now after the AODA AO AO da doesn't25apply to buildings it only applies to25municipalities government agencies on25their on their own setting aside the25building code they are required as a25public building to meet a Oda standards25and they do that through their25committees and whatnot but through the25building codes specifically there is no25requirements other than the barrier-free25provisions in 3/8 all's got another25point here demising barrier-free suite25into a few small Suites reduction of25performance if we propose a non barrier25free now so looking at the physical25performance level maintained so again25you only reduce the performance level if25there's a specific sentence in part 1125that says you've reduced the performance25level you need to have like I'm not sure25how that would relate to barrier-free I25think barrier-free provisions are only25brought in if it's a new building system25so you've got a new washroom or some new25area but but we're dealing with25extensive renovation it's got to be over25300 square metres for the suite 8 inches25to the floor level and you're25substantially moving the25that would be the same for a question25that just popped up here there's there's25a lot of old factories being changed25into multiple Suites office and retail25so would you then require them to comply25with 3/8 so if we look yeah so I would25look at the extensive renovation25provisions they it indicates that again25if those three issues all of them are25met then barrier-free applies to that25particular suite so they need to ensure25that they provide barrier-free provision25so they may have existing washrooms that25are in there they need to be upgraded25now to provide barrier-free which would25be a universal washroom we have to deal25with the issues of the power to our25operator thing to keep in mind to is25even today they are not over 300 square25meters we're thinking oh my goodness how25they still need to provide the barrier25free light provisions which are the25second sentence of barrier free in25excessive renovations which still25requires vanity Heights certain grab25bars so it's not like you get away with25everything25you either barrier free folk or barrier25free light depending on those provisions25a question here when looking at the25tables when a size of a building falls25into more than one category category for25the hazard index for the least25restrictive is permitted to be used is25that the higher or lower H I the least25restrictive so the higher the hazard25index the more restrictive it is and and25I believe you apply the most restrictive25provision if we look at the beginning of25part 11 with that hazard index what it25talks about hazard index the talks about25if you have more than one I think it's25like a three to two article if you have25more than one hazard index you apply the25most restrictive25um switching gears for sp-10 compliance25of new building systems25how are you applying SB 10 SB 10 is25based on a whole building design however25in renovations there is often no25building envelope scope when you are25asking for SB 10 checklist the new25mechanical and electrical systems and25how do you deal with buildings that25would have been designed on a25performance path rather than25prescriptive so I always look at it on26the building system method you know26under if there was no additions at all26it was an existing building generally26speaking most projects you're not26substantially removing the exterior26walls right you might be gutting out26that maybe I had no insulation or you26may be taking out the old insulation I26don't see any path of SB 10 compliance26requirement through part 11 it just26simply doesn't ask for it the only rope26could be as if you would consider a new26building system which it's not a new26wall it's always been the same exterior26wall so I don't look at compliance of SB2610 through renovations only for new26additions which there's an addition26table in SB 10 and of course if it's a26new building itself now if they26completely removed a wall an exterior26wall they had to put a brand new one26back I think the argument would be is26yes you need to meet SB 10 but like you26said very difficult because it's not26about the one wall sb 10 is a very26holistic view of the entire building26system so I would probably only apply26insulation values based on a I don't26really see a lot of that happening I26think most times people are gutting the26insulation out if they choose if it had26zero insulation before it can have zero26insulation now because it's the26maintaining the existing performance26level back to these area free universal26water closets for part 11 Universal by26whole building only is not I'm not sure26I understand the question26so when you're applying part 11 you're26applying it to the particular suite with263/8 my quiz we just talked about before26the area requirement is for the suite so26I think if you have a suite and the area26is appropriated to that particular suite26if you're over the 300 square metres26full barrier-free if you're under it26then you would do the barre freelite the26previous question that we were just26talking about in terms of SB 10 so more26specifically talking about the26mechanical and the electrical equipment26any total got of interior with all new26ducts and HVAC so what would you do for26the equipment I think if you're putting26in a new mechanical electoral equipment26then it's a new building system that it26needs to comply with new code so yeah26new code new building system completely26replaced we got a report Juanita has a26good comment here on the hazard index I26think she's clarified what I was26discussing before when you're trying to26choose the hazard index again lowest26hazard index is the most restrictive26that that's a good point because that's26the worst case right if we have to26occupancies one's a one and one's a ten26we need to worry about the one because26the one is the issue that it's got to26come up the highest so thanks for26clarifying that one either you're right26hazard index of the lowest is right and26that's at the bottom of the hazard index26tables so um I think what Pavel is26getting at with the requirements for26universal washroom so the requirements26is for the suite to determine whether or26not you need to have barrier-free in26that suite however you don't apply it to26the whole building because they're not26doing any renovations in the rest so I26would look at it as you know we're doing26a renovation in this suite do we apply26barrier-free it does say building but26it's you're only doing construction in26that suite if you had an entire building26then of course it would apply to the26whole building but those provisions are26for the suite26I think that's most of the questions26that our koats said that Colleen's got a26question about future or just a comment26for a future session about plans26examination possibly outlining full size26of getting some discussion going about26tips and tricks oh that's great26yeah no I'll have to pull out some of26our computers and maybe do some sharing26on the screen of different tips and26tricks we're doing with our plan review27and and discussions on know that's a27good point we have a couple more to fit27in there so that's good yeah27have us know more about our membership27as well the mentorship sorry the the27members the the mentorship program that27we have is mostly for building officials27that we have and and because we we27support typically municipalities and we27do a lot of inspections we spend days27working with young building officials on27inspections helping them with plans exam27so that's the type of support that we've27been doing for for many minutes about27ease in Ontario Matt's got a good27question here I just noticed on here27about accessibility of very free27washrooms and other sweets27that's one can definitely be a27controversial one my opinion has always27been in it basically because I'll be27honest with you and one municipality I27was in Madan and then we allowed you27know I'm in pizza pizza you need to use27a washroom or the barrier-free you need27to go to us Mary Jo and sir Mary Brown's27chicken sir and you know what that might27work for the first year but then there's27a change of ownership and then Mary27Brown's chicken says I'm tired of27dealing with Pizza Pizza patrons using27our barrier free so my opinion is that27it really it shouldn't be permitted in27other Suites it has to be under the care27control the whole building or the care27control of that suite so I I have never27permitted you know even if someone says27they're providing washrooms in another27suite you know what as a municipality we27have how are we going to control the27fact in that case so in my opinion I've27never permitted that and I'm curious to27know how many people pony municipalities27are actually allowing that because we27that argument all the time on the27designer side of things as they always27want to do is so whether they're they're27just thinking they can or someone's27actually allowing it and getting away27with it27somewhere else I don't know yeah you27know what and as a designer I get it27your your job is to give your opinion on27coal compliance and help your help your27client get through the process and you27know it doesn't say specifically in the27code you can't do that but I think to me27the intent is is that that's not27permitted because it's not accessible27because you know in an enforcement27environment the building officials are27we we do have to think of how we're27going to enforce it in the future27twist certain extent and I think if you27were to allow this all throughout your27municipality ten years from now it's27going to be chaos because it's always27going to be complaints it's going to27because you know a lot on the design27side you don't see the amount of27complaints we get in and we wouldn't be27dealing with constant slew of complaints27I know what happened to me I don't know27if some of the inspectors from Cambridge27are here but I remember in Cambridge we27had a slew of comments you know because27let's be honest they would say well27we're take oh we don't have any seats27you know any washrooms so it would have27went through under that provision then27the next day they had chairs at the27window and then we get complaints later27on that there are you know state mayor27Brown's chickens to saying hey why ice27pizza pizza using our washroom it's just27something that's very difficult to27enforce under table 10 3 2 2 B would27apply yeah so come I didn't really get27deep into the compliance alternatives27for a part 10 review but yes compliance27alternatives are also available for part2710 so if you're doing your performance27level review to determine if there's a27reduction of performance level and you27find it oh we've got a reduction27performance level here check the27compliance alternatives there may be an27allowance for reduced requirements oh27good point mark definitely check those27then they are permitted compliance28alternatives are permitted through part281028a little bit of clarification28I was just mentioned a couple of minutes28ago very free light does not send us two28three eight eleven five centons one for28clearances 11 through three two sentence28three sons us two three eight two three28six and then two three eight three28eleven sentence five so it is very28specific on where it's sending you28thanks to you about that I'm thanks for28that that information you yeah certain28provisions of barrier for late are28provided and they're yeah thanks for28that clarification but I think the28biggest point I wanted to get across as28people - I don't need barrier free while28you still need very free light so make28sure you double check that when you have28a renovation edition stink plumbing is a28BES the addition is required to be non28combustible and they will be connected28together do you need the existing ABS so28it you maintain here's the thing that a28lot of people do work with and I think28we had this come up before if you if28work is done without a permit it doesn't28automatically means it's existing so28sometimes it could get complicated so if28you have a building where you see that28there's been some additional plumbing28added without the benefit of a permit I28think the argument of keeping the ABS28isn't there28now of course judgments need to be made28based on the fact that you could have a28huge building with this but essentially28that's a different case if it was put in28with ABS and it was you know three to28two allowed it for the initial existing28building and now they're putting in some28they get triggered there they're going28higher they need to connect it then28again it's an existing building system28it's allowed to be is to stay based on28the fact that part eleven only requires28a new building system to go to other28parts or if you're you know even an28argument in part 11 it says if you can28extend an existing system extend the ABS28so I would it in my opinion you can keep28the existing ABS if it was done with the28proper permits and then you could just28extend anything else with the non28combustible pipe a lot of people28the discussion of well why are we you28know it's it's it's ninety-nine percent28non you know ABS why are you worried28about this one percent well my thought28is is that as we march through time we28can't apply new code provisions to28existing buildings but as we march28through time I think the flavor of the28code is that we step up the requirements28so maybe today it's only one or two28percent but ten years they do in another28edition and so that will be a28non-combustible pipe or whatnot so I28think the idea is we step through it Oh28a a part 11 matrix yes I think yes28definitely you want to provide a matrix28for part 10 or 11 a review or not gave a28suggestion that it should be more28detailed which is a good point28but I don't think it's a bad oh ma28tricks it's not and it was I think28collaborated with the intera building28officials association so I think it's a28definite it's a good thing I think what28we're clarifying is that we should use28it but just with more detail I think28that's it Gerald's alright well thanks a28lot we had over a hundred people stay28right to the end for this Q&A session so28glad that everybody could stay and28thanks for the discussions thanks for28the comments in the chat but and we28really appreciate that and thanks for28your attendance and we hope to see you28in two weeks for our next session on28Reza means take care everyone

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