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welcome to this special admissions.edition of the office hours my name is.Dan parish I'm the director of.admissions recruitment here at Dartmouth.and I'm joined by Marilla Murray Lascars.who is the Dean of Admissions and.financial aid tonight we are going to.answer your questions about the.application process and we're gonna.offer tips on what you should do and.what you should follow as you plan to.submit your application over the next.hopefully over the next few days so.let's start there you should know that.the application deadline is January 1st.you have advice you want to give on what.they what they should do to get to.January 1st and still be feeling healthy.and awake and not stressed out about.this question as Dan said I'm Maria.Laskaris Dean of Admissions and.financial aid so welcome and thank you.for joining us first of all don't panic.with the common app online you can hit.the submit button January 1st and it'll.get to us in plenty of time so I'd.suggest you know take the next 10 days.kind of clear your head most of you.probably are finishing school today.maybe tomorrow right I'm sure your.teachers have given you lots of homework.no one's letting up on you just because.you're a senior so take a day or two to.kind of clear your head.gather your thoughts and then just.polish it off I'm sure you're pretty.close anyway so it's just a matter of.finding a little time to kind of get.that time in space away from school and.just put the finishing touches and I'm.sure most of you all attend schools that.have already required you to meet.certain deadlines for them your high.school guidance office your college.counseling office your teachers but for.those of you who still have a school day.left tomorrow just make sure that you've.done everything that your high school.has asked you to do and don't panic if.you haven't if if we get back here on.January 3rd.when we arrive back from from after the.holidays on January 3rd we'll still have.materials coming in if there's something.you need to check in with about at your.school you'll have the chance to do that.so the first two questions let's let's.start with how how can I be sure that my.transcript reached the admissions office.let's start with that.something that we call our online.applicant services so as soon as you.send one part of your application we.will open a file for you and you will.receive an email from us with.information on our online applicant.services it's password-protected so.you'll get a login and a pin and you can.go to the website and check to see which.materials have been received as Dan said.we're going to get a lot of mail over.the next two weeks and once we get back.from the January or back up to the.office January 3rd so it may take us a.while to actually dig through the.submissions about the online and the.paper so as Dan said don't panic but we.will provide you with the tools that you.can just run a regular basis check to.see if your materials have made it to.our office for the for the first during.early January the online applicant.services page will just have a message.that says thank you for your application.we're working really hard to get.everything entered and indexed and get.it all squared away and we will post an.incomplete message later in January or.as we get to February so don't worry if.you haven't heard the specifics from us.as long as you have an acknowledgement.from us you know that we're building.your application file we're working on.it we're taking care of it and then once.we know that we've had the chance to.process most everything we've received.at that point we'll send a message out.you know late January early February.that will tell you okay here's what.we're missing we've had a few problems.let's follow up and and usually usually.everything you've sent gets to us we do.this we do this a lot we receive a lot.of information we have really good.systems in place to catch this so one of.the questions is is is about what we.think might be the most important.component of the application so what do.you tell people when they say ah what.what's the key thing what's the most.important part well the answer is that.every part is important but I think you.have a chance to just start it off with.your own assay and the information that.you want to tell us most of you're.probably thinking about I need to finish.the essay want to polish it off or maybe.you haven't started yet so maybe that's.a great place to start with the essay um.it is an opportunity for you to tell us.a little bit about yourself some of the.things that you think are most important.things that you'd like us to know about.your hopes your dreams your aspirations.your accomplishments things that have.been challenging for you.which anything goes but really what we.want to hear are we want to hear from.you we want to get to know you a little.bit before we delve into your transcript.and recommendations and your test scores.your part is probably one of the most.important parts and then you've also got.a lot of essays and yeah and and I.always say that the single most.important part of the application.depends a little bit on you your.strengths your weaknesses your.perspective those are the things that.are gonna rise up and grab our attention.so for some of you there may be one part.of the application that becomes more.critical and more crucial than for.somebody else because it represents a.real strength a real opportunity or.maybe the liability in your application.that that you know makes us want to go.back and read other things most students.who apply to Dartmouth are successful.high school students who've taken.challenging courses and done well that's.the key to being in the mix in the.applicant pool if you've done that.you've challenged yourself at a high.level and you've done well then.everything else in your application can.start to become more or less important.depending on you and it might be that.your essay grabs somebody's attention.you know we want to ask more questions.about that it might be that talent that.you have it might be the energy that.comes across in your recommendations for.each of you it's gonna be something a.little bit different we started off.talking about the deadlines and.somebody's asked them just generally how.how strict are we about the deadlines.how stringent are we and as I mentioned.at the beginning you're part of the.application should be filed on time.you've got time to do that you you can.most of you will file it online through.the common application website but we do.understand that there are pieces of the.application that are out of your control.so we know that something might happen.with your secondary school report.arriving and it might arrive late that's.okay a teacher recommendation might.arrive late so we understand that things.may be coming in over time if it's.mailed in or internationally or sent.through the mail and can't be sent.online that there may be a delay there.we understand that that said the.deadlines there for a night a reason we.want you to do what you can to meet the.deadline but you you can only control.what you can control and we we.understand that so dreaming Green has.asked us a question how do you.understand each student's context in.terms of classes finances etc all the.things that sort of determine where.somebody's coming from and influences.their application how do we get at that.well that is really to the art of what.we do in admissions we want very much to.understand you as an individual and for.us to do that we do look at what we call.the context the context of your home.environment your school environment the.community in which you're living and.going and working and going to school.and that really helps us appreciate the.opportunities that you've had how you've.taken advantage Oh have you taken.advantage of those opportunities and.also perhaps some of the things that you.haven't had available to you and what.you've done instead of or because of the.fact that you haven't been able to.pursue one Avenue or the other so we'll.take a look right off the bat starting.from the first part of your application.you will tell us a little bit about your.family background did your parents go to.college do you have siblings but they go.to college or they younger you'll tell.us a little bit about the school that.you attend we'll know from your high.school profile a little bit about the.high school again who else is in that.school with you what are their.aspirations in terms of college or.post-secondary school opportunities and.that will help us appreciate a little.bit about who you are as an individual.and again the opportunities the.resources and then as we look at your.essays your transcripts your grades your.recommendations we'll get a sense of how.he was an individual took advantage of.the opportunities and resources that.have been available to you right there.and we recognize that all students will.have very different kinds of.opportunities or different kinds of.contexts that they're coming from so.that's really one of the first things we.try to do and one fundamental things we.do in evaluating your application right.and our goal is to try to understand how.you've used the resources available to.you and its most basic level your high.school profile and all of you most of.you attend schools that will send us a.profile that just give us a good basic.set of what opportunities do you have in.the school how to our courses label.what's what's the community like we'll.try to get at that so just a question.from B in Miami that I'll try to answer.quickly some of you may be quest bridge.students Dartmouth is a quest bridge.partner and somebody's asking if it's.okay to reuse the quest bridge essays.for the common application and it is.okay we we recognize that students who.have been through the quest bridge.process may have put a lot.of work into their quest bridge.application and we recognize that you.may you may reuse that you don't have to.reuse them you can use a new essay if.you've got a new essay but if not we're.not gonna we're not going to require.that you submit a new one we've got a.couple questions about the peer.evaluations so dreaming green again asks.us what we're looking for about in the.peer evaluation Johnson asks whether an.adult can fear out the fill out the peer.evaluation form and let me just start.with Johnson's question in general our.advice around the peer evaluation a lot.of times people will ask you know oh is.it okay for my sister to write it or my.my cousin my my my friend who doesn't go.to school with me.all of those are perfectly appropriate.in general my advice about the peer.evaluation is that it should come from.somebody you consider a peer and that's.generally going to be somebody who's an.aged peer but not somebody who's an.adult presence in your life so you know.somebody you work with who's a few years.older that's great that's fine but.usually not from somebody who's more of.a parent figure in or adult figure I.think valuation and I think that's a.question just go up go past us in terms.of what are you looking for for.evaluation we want to get a sense of who.you are let's say I wish your classmate.or your roommate or I was on a team with.you or I went on a Dartmouth Outing Club.trip with you as a Trippi so I want to.get a sense of you as a person but as.someone who I could see perhaps you know.again sharing this Dartmouth experience.with on a day to day basis so that's why.we're looking as Dan said for someone.who's an aged peer it doesn't mean that.you can't have something a little bit.older or younger but in general I think.we prefer someone who's close in age.again just to get that that sense of you.as a real as a real friend person.classmate colleague whatever quick.practical question can the peer.evaluation be submitted electronically.it can be your peer can submit it via.email there's on the Dartmouth.admissions website there's some advice.about submitting application materials.probably some of our chatters can post.the link to that on the chat there's a.special email address for processing.applications that that can be sent to so.if your peer wants to submit it via.email they can they can do that can i.still can I submit supplements after I.send in my application the short answer.to that is yes you can continue to send.information and again on the Dartmouth.admissions website there's some advice.about how you should send those and to.where you should send things like that.let's talk a little bit about what you.might mean by supplements so do you want.to start just briefly talk about the art.supplement and how we evaluate that.we've got three sort of official.supplements wanted to be the art.supplement one would be a supplement if.you're a homeschool student and one is a.supplement if you're an international.student and there as Dan was suggesting.there are other kinds of supplements.that you might send in terms of updates.to your application but let's talk about.first of all the arts supplement which.is probably one of the most common.supplements that students submit along.with their Dartmouth application it's.fine to send that after the deadline but.again I think if you can get it to us as.close as possible in early January to.the deadline that's really I think to.your advantage because what we will do.is once we've received the information I.also want to match it up with your.whatever CD or whatever materials you've.sent along with that paper supplement to.to make sure we get those out to the.appropriate academic department so are.our music faculty our studio faculty or.theater faculty dance film and.television studies computer science but.many faculty members have volunteered to.help us evaluate these materials so we'd.like to get them in materials to the.faculty in a very timely manner so they.can then get their evaluations back to.us and then we can fold that into our.evaluation so I think if you can get.those materials to us I would say within.the first two to three weeks of January.that would be terrific if you start.getting into mid to late February that.all that really does become too late.it's too late for our faculty to really.do a thoughtful evaluation and then it.really gets too late in terms of our own.decision making process so we get a lot.of art supplements we encourage students.to send those if they are things that.represent a real interest something.they'd like to continue to pursue here.at Dartmouth our faculty are very eager.to evaluate materials but again within.the first two or three weeks of January.would be ideal yeah and then there are a.number of questions just coming up on.the chat about sort of supplemental.information in general and one is.whether it makes sense to send in an.additional essay explaining why you'd.want to go into a specific major there's.another one that asks.since Dartmouth's supplement is the peer.evaluation and we don't have a special.supplemental essay somebody's asking you.know how do I stand out if there's no.special supplemental essay and just as.an initial answer to that one thing you.should keep in mind is that on the.common application not specific to.Dartmouth but on the common application.there is that part that says look is.there anything else you want to tell us.so if there is some specific piece that.you want to be sure that we understand.your well-developed interest in a.particular academic area a research.project that you weren't able to explain.elsewhere use that part of the common.application for that my advice around.that is to be concise you don't don't.write paragraphs and paragraphs don't.make it longer than a standard common.application essay but a couple of.paragraphs to 300 400 words about.something that that's a special interest.is is perfectly appropriate and.Dartmouth doesn't have a supplemental.essay we don't ask you why Dartmouth is.your first choice we're really looking.for the common application to give you a.chance to shine your peer evaluation the.recommendation the other pieces of the.application will come together the one.last piece about the specific major.question is is that when we read.applications.we're not admitting you into a major at.Dartmouth and often we don't notice what.major you might want to pursue here.unless it really has an impact on your.case you love classics it's what you've.loved your whole life you want to major.in it that that that will come out of.your application but if you happen to be.undecided or you've checked three majors.don't worry about it we we're real we.know that students will come to.Dartmouth and make some choices about.that once they get here so let's see.Sydney's wondering about the SAT Subject.Tests or SAT two scores how heavily are.they weighed in the application process.so what do you what do you want to tell.people about testing and subject tests.about testing it's probably the bane of.everybody every college scene high.school seniors existence at the moment.we take testing as one of the many.pieces of information that we're going.to collect about you or on your behalf.and it is a part of our process but we.are not making our decisions based on.your test scores high test scores do not.guarantee admission low test scores do.not doom you to never being admitted to.a place like Dartmouth it's just a part.of the composite picture that we put.together of you the reality is that most.students will apply to Dartmouth.actually test pretty well in our.definition of pretty well it's pretty.broad you can go to our website you'll.see that we admit students with a range.of scores because we don't think scores.alone are the only thing that predict a.student's ability to be a successful and.contributing member of this community so.perhaps we can put some oh we do have so.we can point you to information on our.website where you can see the range of.scores of our admitted student group but.I think that should give you a sense.that they're part of the process but.they are certainly not drivers of our.decision and specific to SAT 2s we allow.you to use the score choice option and.ask you to select whichever two SAT two.you'd like to send to us and I would.think you'd want to send us what you.think are your strongest subjects but.again it's just one piece of data that.that is a part of the overall picture.we're trying to put together of you and.and again most of our applicants tend to.do pretty well across all of these.academic measures right and we have you.know keep in mind that we have three to.three-and-a-half years of your high.school transcript in front of us so.testing in general is is held up against.that can be compared back and forth can.help sort of supplement and support what.we know and the subject tests in.particular can really you know maybe.give us a little more well-rounded.picture of what that grade on the on the.transcript might be might contradict it.or kind of contrast back and forth a.little bit so we've got a question about.alumni interviewing so does that the.question from chat and the chat is does.every student get an interview what.should I do if an alumnus is not yet.contacted me am I at a disadvantage.disadvantage if I don't get an interview.so let me just try to briefly address.some of the practical things around.alumni interviewing we we don't reach.every student when in terms of offering.an alumni interview we try really hard.to reach as many students as we can.typically 60 to 70.cent or 50 to 60 percent excuse me of.students who apply are interviewed we.use the interview similar to what Maria.said about testing it's one piece of.many in the application so it's another.piece that gives us another perspective.on who you are if the if we're trying to.answer the question you know what might.the student bring to Dartmouth what are.their biggest strengths and weaknesses.what stands out the interview is one.other piece that helps us round that out.it's typically the last piece that we.look at in an application and we.understand that we don't have volunteers.everywhere and we can't reach every.student so we recognize that not every.student will have the chance to have an.interview and we and we track that.pretty carefully and and work pretty.hard to make sure that students aren't.at a disadvantage by not having the.interview.what else would you say about the.interview yeah I think just to.underscore that you are not at a.disadvantage if you don't have one and I.think if it's similar to the peer.evaluation it's it's a it's another.perspective on you as a person from.someone who probably doesn't do a lot of.recommendation writing or tons and tons.of interviewing couple a lot of our.interviewers are very experienced at.interviewing but but it is a very fresh.perspective on your candidacy.one of the things that I think hardest.for us who have been doing the.submissions work for a long time is that.we rarely get a chance to meet the.applicants favorite days you know we.very much as we read an essay we read.something about you that really piques.our curiosity you know we really can't.pick up the phone or send you a text.message and say hey can we talk about.this but but I think an interview is an.opportunity for someone who is very.familiar with Dartmouth and very much in.tune with what it is that we're trying.to do as we put together a student body.year in and year out to say you know.what I know that Dartmouth really likes.kids who have this kind of passion or.interest or who have these interesting.experiences so tell me more about it I.think often times you know when you're.writing your own essays my perspective.is that students tend to stop a little.bit short from really delving into the.details they tend to write a write very.I put together very well-crafted essays.but many times just don't take that.extra step of telling us why they've.chosen this topic or why they're taking.this opportunity and a good interview or.good peer evaluation or good.datian from a teacher or counselor those.are the places where we learn the why.not just what you did but why you've.made those decisions so that's what I.like interviews and peer evaluations and.even recommendations because they they.help give us some texture right - to all.the things that you've done another.quick just another quick point on.supplements since we're not too far away.from that one one student asked if it's.ok to send in an art supplement even.though your pursuit planning on pursuing.another major like biology absolutely.again we're not admitting you into a.major and we recognize that there are a.lot of students who apply to Dartmouth.who have a passion for music for vocal.performance for the Arts who may want to.continue to pursue that at a really high.level here but may may end up majoring.in some something else so part of what.that arts supplement does for you is.allows you to show us what you've.invested your time in and what you've.the talent you've you've gained from.that so that's perfectly appropriate.quick practical question what percent of.the class was filled through early.decision this year it was just about 40%.and for the last several years we've.been anywhere from 35 to 40 percent so.it's tough I mean we we've seen our.early decision applicant pool grow.pretty substantially and a lot of lot of.really terrific students who have.identified Dartmouth as their clear.first choice and we'd like to respond to.that but we also know that the majority.of our applicants will wait until.January 1st and that's perfectly.appropriate we recognize that you will.have a lot of great choices and so.recognize that you're not ready to make.that binding commitment so we do all.that we can to preserve enough places so.that we can also admit lots of terrific.students who weren't ready to make that.binding commitment to Dartmouth so about.40% this year and but lots of space for.all the terrific students out there who.are applying regularly right there's a.question about the role of AP test.scores and admissions decisions and if.you if you share your ap scores with us.we will factor them into into our.consideration and in some ways similar.to the SAT Subject Tests they help.confirm that you've mastered a certain.body of material that you've performed.at a high level and done well and so we.factor that into our into our decision.we recognize that there are there are.many students in our applicant.Poole who won't have AP scores to share.at this point and that's that's why we.we require the subject tests and the SAT.reasoning test or the a CT and not the.AP scores but if you have AP scores to.share or International Baccalaureate.scores to share share we'll factor that.into what we know about you we've got.your transcript we've got your required.test scores and those will those will.help um.Nitz des is asking how how can I show.that Dartmouth is my top choice right.well I guess a couple ways you might.approach that as Dan mentioned earlier.the common application provides a set a.section that just says additional.information and you're certainly welcome.to put some information there if you.feel so inspired an interview there's.another opportunity um when an interview.an interview might say so how did you.learn about Dartmouth what appeals to.you about Dartmouth I mean there are.opportunities for you throughout the.process to share that information I.think it's really important for you to.realize though that we we know that.you're going to have a lot of great.choices so we are not basing our.admissions decision on the students.who've contacted us the most or have.visited us the most or send us lots of.information that says Dartmouth is my.first choice we hope that every student.who applies to Dartmouth is thinking.that Dartmouth is one of their top.choices and believe me once we admit you.we're gonna do all that we can to get.you to choose Dartmouth so the fact that.you're in our applicant pool we take as.a sign of your serious interest in.Dartmouth so don't feel that you have to.go to great lengths to convince us that.you would like to attend Dartmouth we we.believe that if you've applied but you.are considering Dartmouth that's one of.one of the schools that you can see.yourself at we recognize that you'll.have a lot of great choices though and.so we know we've got our work cut out.for us once we've admitted you to.convince you to come to Dartmouth but.let us do that you worry about your.essay and let us take it from there.right and we dart the those of us who.read admissions applications don't know.about your history with Dartmouth when.we read and we shouldn't we don't know.your we don't track your contact in that.way we we really think if you've.invested the time in the application we.should respect that we should admit.bright high achieving fun people who are.gonna really engage with this campus and.on the other end of it as Maria said we.want to convince you that this is really.a special place so so.we we recognize that we have some some.pressure on us to show you how special.Dartmouth is once we've admitted.students how much our teacher.recommendations weighed how are they.factored into the into the process and.particularly compared to the essays that.stands right now again the essay that's.your chance to speak to the admissions.staff very directly about something of.importance to you I think teacher.recommendations really help us see you.as a student in a particular school a.classroom a community it gives us a.sense of what kind of student you are.and and the neat thing about Dartmouth.both Dan and I are Dartmouth alums and.so we can speak from our own experience.although it's been a while this is a.place that welcomes students from all.different kinds of backgrounds all.different kinds of interests all.different kinds of approaches to their.learning so you may be the most.talkative and outgoing student who's.always raising his or her hand and is.always ready at that moment with.something really interesting to.contribute or you could be the person.who kind of sits back and takes it all.in kind of processes information and.then comes out with that zing or that.everyone just says wow this is a really.smart person so I think it's really.important for it for you to realize that.at Dartmouth there is room for all kinds.of students wherever you fit on that.spectrum and the teacher recommendation.just helps us see you as the student in.the classroom what kind of a student are.you what are the things that you like to.do how do you approach your learning.they helped us put your grades in.context as well because probably no.surprise most students who apply to.Dartmouth have done well in the.classroom and so if we just were to look.at your grades and your scores we.couldn't tell you apart for the most.part and so a teacher helps us.personalize the grades to say you know.what so you're looking at a B in this AP.stats course you know what this was the.second-highest grade in the course I'm a.really tough grader so a good teacher.recommendation really helps us.contextualize your transcript as well as.help us understand you as a unique.individual not a set of grades not a set.of courses but as a person who is.engaged in the learning process.so that's what I'm looking for you know.when I'm looking at recommendation right.we've got a question from average guy I.like that I like that screen name so how.is the intended major taken into account.and how much does it matter and as I.mentioned earlier at the Dartmouth we're.not admitting you into a major when we.when we admit you and one of the things.we've learned about students who apply.to Dartmouth over the years is that.frankly they have a couple of interests.in mind when they come here they think.they might know what they want to major.in and they'll probably change their.mind over time here so there are some.students who enroll at Dartmouth knowing.what they want to major in they stick.with it they go all the way through but.but more students arrive here with a.couple of ideas in mind and then zero in.on it over time so when we review your.application to be honest we often don't.notice the major that a student has.indicated unless it has a real impact on.the candidacy so the student who's drawn.towards the sciences and engineering but.hasn't been a successful math student.that's something we're probably going to.notice yeah the student who's drawn.towards the sciences and that's just.been a real area of strength for them.maybe we're going to notice that but for.most students the the role of the.particular major in the decision is.pretty minimal unless it really is.important to you and impacts your your.case julia asks if she can send an extra.resume to fit other extracurriculars.that weren't you know captured in the.common app so so what advice do we give.about extra residence yeah and that's.that's a great question because we.certainly see a lot of variation in the.way that students present their.extracurricular activities um I would.say an extra resume is fine but with a.caveat we really don't want pages and.pages of additional information about.your activities because to us that it's.hard for us to get a sense of what's.really been most important so I I do.understand that on the common app.sometimes it's really hard to kind of.distill or simplify everything that.you've done over the course of three and.a half years of high school and probably.longer for things that you've been.involved in for longer than high school.into into those nice neat little boxes.so I think a very succinct resume where.you maybe you say if community service.is something that you've really been.engaged in for a very very long time.you don't list out every single activity.or organization or or.or cause that you've supported but you.summarized that and in some sort of.bullet points and say you know I've.spent this number of years these are the.kinds of things I've done that that's.fine that does help us to get a sense of.the breadth and depth of your activity.so I rather than you know five to ten.pages if you can summarize it and want.to two pages it's like a job interview.right you kind of keep that recommend.that resume concise to the point that.does provide us with another way of.understanding what's been most important.to you right whether you take the common.app boxes or do a supplemental resume.again start with what's most important.and then work from there yeah.and with with the an additional resume.if you submit one a couple of things to.keep in mind still fill out the common.application boxes those are those are.very helpful to us we're going to read a.lot of applications over the over the.course of the winter and being able to.follow those boxes provide some.structure for us and then if you you can.upload a resume with the common.application so that's the easiest way to.go at this you can use that additional.space piece in the common application if.you want to sort of format that as a.resume those are two easy ways to go at.it if for some reason you need to submit.a resume separate from from filing the.common application online again you can.go to our website there's instructions.there for submitting extra materials and.there's an email address you can email.it to but the easiest thing is just to.upload it with the common application if.you want to do that.Danny's asking about an additional essay.would it be red what would we do with it.and same sort of thing I think the.important thing here is to be concise if.it's something that's really important.and that you you need to explain I think.doing it in that extra space of the.common application is appropriate and.you just you just don't want it to be.longer than a normal common application.essay and probably it should be shorter.it should probably be more concise than.that yeah let's see the couple that.sounds like on the chat there there are.a bunch of questions coming up about.likely letters and folks are curious.about likely letters and when they're.sent out and how we use them so we.should address that yeah and I guess.kind of given the season that we're in.maybe we can use a metaphor.an analogy with the season so you can.see that there's something wrapped and.maybe it's under a tree or your table or.maybe it's your birthday you can see.that there's a little envelope for you.there but you can't open it until that.special day and in this case it's our.mail date April 1st or March 31st it's.what we should we should have known this.before we came online.it's March 31st or April 1st and yeah.one of those two days so think about.there's something waiting for you just.can't open it but chances are it's it's.something that you're gonna be really.excited about so so for us we we know.that the process from January 1st until.March 31st or April 1st it's a very long.one and if you think about the all the.time and energy you've invested in.visiting colleges visiting websites.talking to counselors parents friends.anyone who'll listen about your college.list this is something that that I think.most of you probably been thinking about.for quite some time and probably are.ready to have it resolved and as we.begin the reading process and Regular.Decision.there are some candidates who surface.pretty quickly who we are very excited.that they're in our applicant pool and.we will send what we call a likely.letter which just gives them a heads up.that we've read their application and.we're excited that they are in our.applicant pool one of the really.important things to know is that we will.admit many students who do not receive.one of these little likely letters from.us it's it's very much calendar driven.and the way that our applicant pool has.has exploded we are not able to get.through every single application before.we start sending these likely letters so.if you don't get a letter doesn't mean.that the that you will not be admitted.to Dartmouth but for some small number.of candidates at the beginning of the.process surface very very quickly as.really interesting and for us kinds of.students we'd like to see at Dartmouth.we will send out an early an early.letter that just says relax this will.resolve itself very nicely and we're.excited that you are considering.Dartmouth very seriously right great a.quick answer to Cesar's question Cesar's.asking about when you can check his.application status online after you.submit your application you'll receive.and an acknowledgement from us via email.it will give you instructions on how to.use our online applicant services page.and you'll get a username and a pin so.that you can log in for the most of the.month of January that online applicant.services page will simply say we're.still processing materials we will let.you know when if your application is.incomplete and then late in January into.February once we know we've really.caught up with all the processing and.that everything squared away we'll.update that online applicant services.page so that it has a checklist on there.and we'll tell you what pieces of your.application are there at that same time.that we update the the checklist you'll.get an email from us saying oh this is.this is missing it's incomplete but we.we try to make sure we can get all the.processing done we don't want to tell.you that your secondary school hasn't.submitted your your report if they.already have and we're just trying to.match it up to the application so you've.got time before we really confirm for.you what's here and what's not but.you'll have that log in as soon as you.apply and you'll be able to have that.information JJ is asking about being an.international applicant so our.international applicants evaluated.separately from u.s. applicants are all.applicants part of the same pool yeah.well I'm JJ it was almost three maybe.four years ago Dartmouth made the.decision to be fully need-blind in its.admissions process for all applicants.including international applicants you.know prior to that time international.applicants did have to be evaluated.separately in the later stages of the.admissions process because we were not.fully need-blind but today as we've been.for the last three or four years we are.fully need-blind for all of our.applicants and so that means that.international applicants are evaluated.in the same manner as our US citizens so.just like we we do for all students and.we take a look at your information we.never concern ourselves with your.ability to pay and remake your do our.decisions based upon all you've.accomplished your potential and what we.see that you bring to you to the.Dartmouth community and we think about.the context as we would for any.applicant of where you live what are.your access to resources and and let's.focus on testing for a second you know.we we try to contextualize what role.testing should play in your application.and if you've submitted the the TOEFL.the Test of English as a foreign.language and that helps us better.understand your language abilities we.use that and roll that in and we.recognize that there may be things that.influence how you perform on those.standardized tests is English spoken at.home what's the language of instructions.so we take those things into account but.we're not separating you out into a.separate pool around financial aid or.those kinds of those kinds of issues.let's see.quick answer - I don't know who this.question came from do we have to send in.our AP scores officially or just.self-report you can self-report your AP.scores and we'll we'll factor those in.if you're admitted to Dartmouth you'll.have to report them directly from the.College Board so you want to make sure.that you report them accurately now so.that when we get the official report.from this College board it max that.matches up exactly to what you've told.us earlier but you can you can self.report those and then you should report.your official test scores through a CT.or through the College Board the SAT.scores the subject test scores a.question from M.does it hurt visit does applying later.hurt my chances of being admitted what.if I didn't apply early decision because.of concerns about wanting to compare.financial aid packages so you know if.somebody files their application on.December 30th is that different than.applying on December 10th yeah yeah well.no difference from our perspective in.terms of the timing unless you are very.late in January filing your application.so again as we said it's a beat out set.get it get your part of the application.in it's close to January 1st ideally no.later than January 1st and then we'll be.all set in terms of this dilemma between.early decision and Regular Decision and.we've got an earlier question about that.but maybe it's good to just reiterate to.our commitment to preserving enough.spaces for our Regular Decision.applicants we know that many students.aren't ready to make the binding.commitment to Dartmouth.that they don't love the institution and.they don't it's not because they don't.see themselves being successful students.here but there are some important.considerations and financial aid is one.of them where there may in their family.feel they're just not ready to to sign.on the dotted line so that if they were.admitted they would be committing.themselves to matriculate and so they.decide to wait till the Regular Decision.so we as I said at the outset have.set aside many many places because we.recognize that our Regular Decision pool.will be full of very talented students.from a diverse Away diverse array of.backgrounds and perspectives and.experiences and those are just the kinds.of students we'd like to include in the.Dartmouth community so it doesn't hurt.your chances of being admitted and we.recognize that not all students are.ready on November 1st to say Dartmouth.is my clear first choice right right I'm.gonna answer a question from dkm 525 and.then I'm gonna let Maria prepare to.answer a question from Lola about how we.make decisions.well Dartmouth accept a lot of students.from one school or is there a cut-off.nobody ever believes us when we tell us.tell them this but no there is not a.cut-off and when we make admissions.decisions we're trying as best we can to.make admissions decisions based on that.individual candidate so what we try not.to do is we don't try to stack you up.against the students from your high.school and compare you just back and.forth with them we're trying to think.about where you fit in the big applicant.pool what do you bring to Dartmouth what.rises up what are you excited about so I.can we don't cut off the numbers we.don't over manage around the group in.your school and say gosh you know if we.have this many applicants we can only.take this many students we just try not.to do that and we try to avoid that as.as much as we can we we're lucky at.Dartmouth that geography doesn't really.play a big role in how we make.admissions decisions because the.applicant pool is already geographically.diverse so we're able to really have a.lot of freedom about saying you know.this is a great student and the state.they come from shouldn't really impact.negatively or positively we've got.enough diversity in the applicant pool.geographically we don't have to worry.about that so it shouldn't limit the.numbers you have from your school and.one quick without naming the school I.can tell you that there's a school that.I've known for a long time I've worked.in admissions for 20 years and about.four years five years ago 29 students.applied from this high school large.public high school outside a major.metropolitan area in the northeastern.United States so that's cool 20 28 or 29.students applied for or five years ago.and I think we admitted 9 or 10 students.that the bad news is that then the next.year 28 or 29 students have applied and.I think we admitted to and then.following year maybe 23 or 24 students.applied and we've admitted five or six.so you know it changed each year.according to the students who applied so.now Maria gets to answer the big.question here from from NOLA how do we.make decisions is there a committee huh.what I'm going to talk a little bit.about how often we read out well how.many applications we read and that.really gets at the heart of the work.that we do and we've just spent we've.gone through the early decision process.and we met as a staff just last week to.talk about how we will approach the the.pretty daunting task of the Regular.Decision review process just given the.volume of applications that we receive.and and there are a couple of key points.that I hope folks keep in mind about our.approach to evaluation to evaluating.applications the first is individualized.review so almost kind of taking taking.off from what Dan was saying about from.a particular school we think of you as.an individual we don't look at you and.say gosh they're 23 to 23 students from.this high school we're only gonna admit.to and the rest of them won't even have.a shot you are an individual you are not.a part of a group or can other than your.own community from which you're applying.in terms of you know the context of your.individual application but we very much.value an approach that says you're an.individual we think about you in the.context of our entire applicant pool.which is why we might in one year take.12 students from the high school the.next year only take two you're not.competing against your classmates.sitting next to you in that ap bio class.or that ap stats class you're competing.and the broader international Dartmouth.applicant pool as an individual we.approach this process with no.preconceived notions we see this as a.process of discovery we don't look at.the at the application and think okay I.can see what kind of category the.student might fall into or I've seen.lots of students who have the set of.activities or set of grades we don't.approach it that way you're a unique.individual and we're trying to figure.out who you are as that individual and.how you differ from the other students.in the pool this year so the first part.is this commitment to an individualized.review the second kind of fundamental.cornerstone of our review process is.what we call holistic review we've.talked about test scores we've talked.about peer value.we talked about recommendations we.talked about essays I think we talked.about grades but all of those things we.require as part of our application we do.that so that we get a holistic sense of.you that is who are you as an entire.person not just a transcript not just.scores not just a resume not just essays.but as an entire whole and we value all.those pieces and I think as Dan said.said earlier in this in this broadcast.each piece is going to be weighed.differently depending upon your.strengths your accomplishments your.weaknesses the context of your school of.your home community but it's important.for us to see you as a whole and not.just as a one slice just your scores or.just your resume just your essay so.those two things individualized review.and holistic review our real.cornerstones of our application process.we have a very reading intensive process.where as a staff we are going to be.reading maybe 150 applications per week.so that's a pretty good clip.it's not quite 40 hours a week of.reading but it's pretty darn close and.so we invest a great deal of our time.and energy into reading every single.application once every application has.been read once we begin to make some.preliminary decisions some applications.do float up pretty quickly because in.the estimation of the admissions officer.who read that file the applicant is.exceptional for any of a number of.reasons it's not always the highest.scores or the perfect GPA but something.about the way all those pieces came.together spoke to that admissions.officer and said this is someone we'd.like to see at Dartmouth not many.candidates jump out or jump off the page.off the computer screen on that first.read there are some number of candidates.who after one read really we're pretty.certain that they are not prepared to be.academically successful the good news.for Dartmouth is that there aren't many.students who fall into that category but.there will be some small number of.students who really don't have the.fundamental academic foundation that.reassures us that they're ready to be.successful students here the vast.majority of our candidates really fall.into the sort of possible category where.they they've demonstrated academics.they have been engaged members of their.community they've contributed in very.positive ways and so all the signs point.to someone who would be a successful and.contributing member of the Dartmouth.community so that's where the real work.begins we'll have additional reading.rounds of reading where those files will.be sent to a different admissions.officer who has and who does an.independent read so without knowing what.the first reader recommended a second.person we'll start from the beginning of.your application and come to some set of.decisions or recommendations about what.they think are your strengths and how.they see you contributing to Dartmouth.so we'll go round and round with reading.pretty much through January in February.as we get towards March there will be.some small group of candidates where we.may decide to meet as a small committee.or break up into small committees to.discuss because we think in those cases.we would benefit from more perspectives.on that candidate as we work towards a.final decision so unlike some schools.that that have a very committee heavy.selection process ours really is based.on a couple of independent reads and.then some decision-making based upon.where Reavers came out in evaluating.those applications and then we work from.there again didn't you and I've read a.lot of applications in terms of have you.read files when we we typically start as.Maria said it's very intensive and every.admissions officer who's reading an.application is going to start with your.part of the application so they open up.the file and they start with the.personal part of the application they.progress through to the information that.your school sends us so your school.profile a secondary school report a high.school transcript and then they move.from that piece of the application to.how other people view you in the process.so the teacher recommendations the peer.evaluation the interview if there's an.interview all of those different pieces.come together and that's pretty much the.progression each time we read most as.Maria mentioned most applications will.be read two or three times maybe.there'll be further conversation through.the committee process and as new.information comes into the application.in between that first reading and second.reading process it gets picked up and.then again between the second read and.the third.it gets picked up into the into the file.so that as we're going along we're.trying to give multiple perspectives.individualized review and this holistic.process of progressing from reading what.you have to tell us to what your school.has to tell us to how other people other.people view you so a couple questions.here oh we've got a notification on our.screen here that makes it so that I.can't read all the comments that are.coming up so what's the most let's let's.go with how many people get wait-listed.because that's when I can actually see.and then I'm going to stand up here and.try to fix what they're getting in the.background this really depends on the.applicant pool itself and you know one.of the most challenging things about.working in a selective college.admissions office is that we will turn.away in Dartmouth's case probably 90% of.the students who apply and that's really.tough because clearly we could fill our.class many times over with all the.students who have presented to us.academic information personal.information that again suggests a thing.would be wonderful members of our.community and would be successful.students and contributing contributing.members the Dartmouth community so we do.put a some number of students on our.waitlist it's ranged from as our pool.it's gotten larger I would say 16 to.1,700 students end up on the waitlist.this year we'll have to wait and see no.pun intended but to see what the pool.looks like and what we think is the.right number but we we find it very very.difficult to turn away so many students.and so we hope to be able to admit some.students from the waitlist every year.and so we'll identify a relatively small.group given the overall size of our pool.who will be wait-listed and it's.typically fewer than 10% of the.applicants in fact typically it's been.significantly fewer than 10% of the.applicants but half of those students.will indicate an interest in staying on.the waiting list and then as we move.forward we never it's very hard for us.to predict in fact it's impossible for.us to predict whether we'll use a.waiting list or not in a given year.there have been years over the last ten.where we haven't been able to use the.waiting list and then there have been.years where we've admitted 50 or 60 or.seven.so it varies a little bit a little bit.from year to year I fixed the problem.we've had with our screen here so we'll.we'll go back to some of the questions.we've had I'm going to answer a question.from Nick about family members who've.attended Dartmouth does Dartmouth take.into a consideration that if family.members have attended Dartmouth and we.do what what we particularly track and.what are what our bosses ask us about.our sons and daughters of alumni who.attended Dartmouth and we take that into.account as we read an application it's.somebody has a relationship with the.college they trust us enough that.they've allowed their son or daughter to.apply to the College.we should probably factor that in and.take that into account in a sea of very.qualified applicants with high achieving.students who have applied it can be one.of those things that helps us.distinguish a candidacy it can be one of.those things that we factor into the.review process and again it's one of.many pieces that's that that that swirl.around in an application so it doesn't.it doesn't change the course of the.application but it helps us say well.here's something we ought to consider.and take into into account and again the.number we best sort of know and that we.best understand are those who are sons.and daughters our alumni because it's.that's that's the one that we can track.and and sort of take into account.historically senior year somebody's.asking about senior grades and the.mid-year report can they give up now and.not not work hard anymore what do we do.with senior grades when they come in.yeah well most of you are probably close.to finishing your first semester some of.you probably have already finished your.first trimester so those senior grades.are going to be really really important.so no letting up at this point and.usually school send us the mid-year.report I would say third week of January.fourth week of January we're probably.getting some trimester of grades at this.point in the process and so those very.much are going to be considered along.with your 9th through 11th grade grades.and so absolutely keep on doing the.great work that you're doing it is.important to us to see that you were.able to sustain that high level of.academic achievement or if you've been.on an upward trajectory we like to see.students who continue in that upward.trajectory so we will take a close look.at the mid-year grades for first.trimester grades when those.are received and added to your file so.we're coming to the end of our time our.producers are telling us that we should.be wrapping up and getting to the.getting to the final questions here a.couple of reminders for you use the.website Dartmouth edu slash admissions.both to learn more about Dartmouth the.this chat and other video other past.chats are posted online on the on the.site there are blogs there there's a lot.of information on there about the.college there's also a lot of practical.information about the application.process so go to the website use that.information there are some checklists.and some helpful guidelines there about.submitting information the Regular.Decision deadline is January 1st so be.sure to be sure to pay attention to that.don't forget to relax a little bit if.you if you are lucky enough to have a.break from school over these next couple.of weeks we hope you get some rest.and you get a chance to take advantage.of that and then I don't know is there.anything you want to leave folks with in.terms of what's the most important thing.we think about or what we wrestle with.as we make decisions I think a lot of.people if you ask advice you know what.should I do.what's the most important thing for me.to convey in my application you're gonna.hear a lot of the same thing which is.just being yourself right you are a.special person you are an interesting.person you are a unique individual I.know it sounds kind of like that you.were all unique and interesting you have.reasons why you do things you have likes.and dislikes don't be afraid to share.that with us because that's how we get.to know you we as I said before we we.don't have the opportunity to meet you.face to face but through your part of.the essay the things that you can.control we learn a little bit more about.you as a unique individual so I would.say the most important thing sure the.grammar and spelling of your essays are.things that you should pay attention to.but beyond that don't be afraid to just.show us who you are because who you are.is what we're interested in that's right.you can't you can't reinvent yourself.you have a record to rest on and share.with us your strengths play to your.strengths and share with us your.interests we hope this has been helpful.this has gone really quickly for us so.again Dartmouth edu slash admissions.there's a lot of information in there.about how.contact us and how to ask how to submit.materials and good luck with the.application process our office will be.closed oh yeah on the 24th through.January 3rd if you have any problems.with a common application there's tons.of resources at the common app dot org.website they've got online help and.resources so we won't be able to answer.any of your questions if you having.trouble submitting but please we.encourage you to be in touch with the.folks at common app I know they staff up.pretty significantly because for them.their biggest days are December 30th.31st and January 1st so they want to.make sure that you're not stressing.about the technology and about hitting.that submit button so as Dan said we.want you to rest and enjoy this break.and we appreciate your interest in.Dartmouth and wish you the best in this.holiday season thanks a lot.

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As a Dartmouth '10 who spent a lot of time in the fraternity featured in the Rolling Stone article I can say that the Dartmouth in that article was the Dartmouth I attended. Nothing in the article surprised me because it was all stuff that I saw first-hand or heard about on a regular basis. Yes fraternities were not the only thing at Dartmouth but they dominated the social scene while I was there and anyone who was part of that scene cannot deny the truth in Rolling Stone.

During the second world war did officer training colleges, such as Cranwell, Dartmouth or Sandhurst, continue to train officer cadets?

At the outbreak of war the senior cadets and most of the staff at the Royal Military Academy were mobilised for active service. The facilities at Sandhurst were used to host an Infantry Officer Cadet Training Unit until mid 1942 when the Royal Armoured Corps Officer Cadet Training Unit took over. The Royal Air Force College was closed just before the outbreak of war. The facilities at Cranwell were used by a Flying Training School. The Royal Naval College Dartmouth stayed open throughout the war but, after it was bombed in September 1942, it relocated to Eaton Hall Cheshire.

I have a 3.81 (Unweighted out of 4.0) and 5.18 (Weighted out of 6.0) GPA. Would these be good enough to get into Dartmouth College?

Yes, it really is. Any GPA over 2.5 is good enough to apply for college. Obviously, not top-tier universities, but there are many local colleges that will accept students if they have decent test scores and can write well (as shown by their application essay). 3.65 on a 4.0 scale is a good GPA. If the courses you took are low-level, they will notice. If that 3.65 includes an obvious drive to take advanced coursework, they will notice that, too, and it will impress the admissions people. 3.6 with plenty of advanced courses and no easy courses will mean more than a 4.0 that has no advanced course Continue Reading

How does the reputation of Dartmouth College compare with that of Columbia University?

I was admitted to Yale as an undergrad, but I chose to attend Columbia. In the US, there is an obsession with HYP as being the three most prestigious universities in the country. As an international student, it is less clear. In my experience as someone who grew up in several different countries outsi Continue Reading

As a former Director of the Dartmouth College Writing Program, what would professor Thomas Cormen recommend to do to improve communication skills?

You asked, "Is it useful to learn someone's very good communicator speech and try to reproduce it?" My answer: definitely not. You should develop your own voice, in both speech and writing. Sure, you'll pick up ideas from people here and there, but you should incorporate them into your own style. You can view the material for CS 191 , the graduate course I teach on how to write papers and how to give talks. The most recent version of this course is from Fall 2014. The next offering is likely to be some time in the 2018–2019 academic year.

What is it like to be a summer student at Dartmouth College? How is it different from the normal school year?

Almost everyone stays on for their Sophomore Summer, a time of beautiful weather, a more relaxed academic environment, and tons of socializing. To make up for that, you take a term off somewhere else in your academic calendar. Sophomore Summer will be one of the highlights of your time at Dartmouth.

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