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right.so.hi.do you live in kelly i i represent.uh the committee on homeland security.will come to order.was most most uh impacted by this.country.as i said the committee on homeland.security will come to order.without objection the chair is.authorized to declare the committee in.recess.at any point good morning before we.begin.i want to say our thoughts.with those americans dealing with.devastating natural disasters.including the wildfires in the west and.hurricane sally.in the south as chairman i remain.committed.to ensuring they receive the federal.help needed.to respond recover and build back.stronger.today the committee on homeland security.is meeting.for its annual hearing on worldwide.threats to the homeland.our nation recently observed the 19th.anniversary.of the terrorist attacks of september 11.2001. nearly two decades later.we continue to mourn the nearly 3 000.lives.lost that terrible day and keep their.loved ones.in our prayers this committee and the.department of homeland security.were established in the wake of 9 11 to.help prevent.future attacks on our soil regardless of.who.is was chairman we've held regular.hearings.examining worldwide threats with leaders.from the department.of homeland security fbi.and national counterterrorism center and.regardless.of who was occupied the white house.whether democrat or republican.we've received cooperation in that.effort.today was supposed to be no different.unfortunately.as we see from the empty chair in front.of us.mr chad wolf is not here to represent.the department.of homeland security let me be clear.about how we got here the committee.began engaging with the department over.three months ago.on june 10 2020 to secure mr wolf's.participation in this hearing.alongside his colleagues from the fbi.and national counterterrorism center any.assertion that the administration.committed to having dhs fbi.and nctc testify before this committee.as a worldwide threats hearing in july.is false.dhs tentatively offered a couple of.dates.but then could not agree with its fbi.and.nctc counterparts on a date for the.hearing.in june or july in fact it was the.department of homeland security that.conveyed to the committee.that september 17th was the earliest mr.wolf.would be available to testify at this.hearing.in the interest of receiving mr wolf's.testimony.the committee agreed to the offered date.it was not until last week that the.department informed the committee that.mr wolf would be reneging.on the commitment to testify in.anticipation.of being nominated for secretary of.homeland security.i would note that despite his refusal to.testify today.mr wolf has spoken to the media on.multiple occasions since president trump.announced he intended to nominate mr.wolf to be secretary of homeland.security.including no fewer than four appearances.on fox news mr wolf has run the.department of homeland security for the.last 10 months.and has been responsible for numerous.decisions directly relevant to the.subjects the committee.intends to explore with that in mind.last week i wrote mr wolf to make clear.that there is no legal prohibition.bearing barring a nominee's testimony.and to urge him to honor his commitment.in response the department again.declined to provide.mr wolf to testify at this hearing.faced with continued refusal on friday.i issued a subpoena for his appearance.in accordance with house and committee.rules.regrettably he has chosen to defy the.subpoena.that he would refuse to come before the.committee after committing to do so.should appall every member of this.committee.insisting mr wolf keep his commitment to.testifying before congress.isn't playing politics is doing our job.congress has the authority and.obligation to execute its constitutional.oversight responsibilities.regarding mr wolf's decision and the.department's action during his tenure.as chairman it's my responsibility to.ensure the committee fulfills.its constitutional responsibilities 19.years.after the attacks of 9 11 we continue to.face grave threats to the homeland.including the rise of domestic terrorism.ongoing foreign interference in the 2020.elections.and a coronavirus pandemic.that has claimed nearly 200 000 american.lives.as a person running the department of.homeland security.mr wolf should be here to testify as.secretaries of homeland security have.done before.instead we have an empty chair an.appropriate metaphor.for the trump administration's.dereliction.on so many of these critical homeland.security.issues mr wolf may attempt to evade.oversight.and the department may try silly stunts.to distract from this hearing but we.will not.waver the stakes are just too high.indeed former department officials the.administration's own political.appointees.are coming forward to sound the alarm.that our nation's security.is being compromised in favor of the.president's political interests.americans who care about securing the.homeland.and upholding our most sacred values.expect their representatives to hold the.department of homeland security.and this administration accountable.be assured that under my chairmanship i.will not waver.in my commitment to doing so today or in.the future.to that end i'm pleased that director.ray and director miller.are here today i look forward to that.testimony and the members questions.the chair now recognizes the ranking.member of the full committee.the gentleman from alabama mr rogers for.an opening statement.thank you mr chairman before i get.started i wanted to.acknowledge our newest member of the.committee mr garcia.who i know is going to be a great.addition to our committee's work.in the future since the heinous attacks.of september 11th we have made great.strides.toward global jihadist operations and to.stop.threats before they reach our shores.however today global jihadists are.joined by cyber hackers rival nation.states and trans national criminal.organizations.together they present incredible new.risk to our economy our safety and our.way of life.make no mistake the threats to our.homeland have never been more real.than they are today that's why it's.important.that we as members of this committee.understand those threats.it is our job to ensure that dhs fbi and.our intelligence community.have the resources and authorities they.need to continue to dismantle terrorist.organizations.and protect our homeland i look forward.to hearing more about the administration.how the administration is countering the.threat.from al qaeda china and iran and others.who seek to do us harm mr chairman i'm.also disappointed.dhs is not here today but i want the.record to be very clear on why.dhs is not represented it is not the.fault of the department.or this administration acting secretary.wolf offered to testify before this.committee.in both july and august unfortunately.the majority refused to make either of.those dates work.now due to this due to his nomination mr.wolf is prohibited.from testifying under a policy that's.been in place.under both republican and democrat.administrations.for decades nevertheless due to the.significance of today's hearing the.department offered to have.mr cuccinelli testify he's the second.highest ranking official at dhs and.perfectly qualified and informed.on today's subject matter and i ask.unanimous consent to include his.testimony for the record.without objection thank you he should be.here.today providing the department's.perspective on those threats.we face and and what dhs is doing to.counter them.but instead of having productive hearing.with mr cuccinelli the chairman chose to.subpoena and then empty chair mr wolfe.this is a political stunt is huge.disservice to our committee.and to the public this is the single.most important hearing.we hold in this committee but.unfortunately as with.most things this congress the majority.has chosen to play politics.as a result the public is being deprived.of critical information.from dhs perhaps that's the real reason.why this majority didn't want mr.cuccinelli here having the public hear.about.all the good things dhs is doing to.protect them might.undermine the radical left's latest.rallying cry.dismantle dhs unfortunately.director ray and director miller are.here i'm sorry fortunately.director ray and director miller are.here to provide us with their valuable.perspectives i look forward to hearing.from.both of you uh about the threats.we are facing and with that i yield back.mr chairman.thank you very much the committee does.not want to hear testimony.from the department therefore after mr.wolf declined our.invitation we issued a subpoena to.obtain his testimony.the so-called standard practice by which.the department says mr wolf.cannot testify is the administration's.own.self-imposed limitation i also note that.this.is an administration whose respect for.so-called precedents.and even laws is highly situational.if the minority wanted to hear testimony.from mr cuccinelli.they had every right to invite him to.appear.as their witness at this hearing today.i'm not aware of the minorities.requesting.his testimony other members of the.committee.are reminded that under committee rules.opening statements.may be submitted for the record members.are also reminded that the subcommittees.will operate.according to the guidelines laid out by.myself.and ranking members in our july 8th.colloquy i welcome our panel of.witnesses.our first witness is the director of the.federal bureau of investigation.christopher wray director ray began his.law enforcement career.in 1997 serving in numerous positions at.the.department before assuming his current.role.in 2017. next we have the director of.the national counterterrorism center.christopher miller director miller.served in the united states military.from 1983 to 2014.and in numerous civilian national.security roles.before assuming his current position.without objection the witness's full.statement will be inserted in the record.i now ask each witness to summarize his.statement.in five minutes or the best you can do.within that that time beginning with.director wray.morning chairman thompson ranking member.rogers and members of the committee i'm.honored to be here today.on behalf of the men and women of the.fbi to discuss.our nation's top threats from the fbi's.perspective.and what we're doing to counter those.threats.i know we all share a lot of the same.concerns about topics ranging from.international and domestic terrorism to.cyber security to the violence in our.streets.and particularly this year to the threat.of foreign influence in our elections.and that's just to name.a few and i look forward to updating you.on these.and other important topics this morning.but i'd like to begin by covering.quickly a few items that have been.particularly top of mind for us at the.fbi over the past few weeks.first terrorism remains the fbi's top.priority although the nature of that.threat has evolved significantly.since 9 11. we are ever vigilant in our.efforts to prevent attacks by.international terrorist groups like al.qaeda.and isis those groups pose a threat not.just to americans.overseas but also here at home most.notably by those we call.homegrown violent extremists often lone.actors.inspired by foreign terrorists.self-radicalized.online and motivated to attack soft.targets.with readily available weapons we're.also working around the clock to prevent.attacks by domestic terrorists who are.inspired by one or more.extremist ideologies to commit violent.acts in recent years we've been laser.focused on threats.by racially or ethnically motivated.violent extremists they too.are often radicalized online and.mobilized quickly.to carry out their violent plans people.like richard holzer who our denver joint.terrorism task force arrested on hate.crime charges.just last year while he was planning to.blow up a synagogue.in pueblo colorado as with any terrorism.case we're focused on disruption.on making arrests before a criminal.connect just this year alone.through the hard work and dedication of.countless men and women both at the fbi.and across our partner agencies we've.successfully thwarted potential.terrorist attacks in kansas city.tampa cleveland oklahoma city.boston phoenix and other locations.now in recent months we've witnessed.protests in various places around the.country many members.of congress have raised questions about.those protests.although the majority of protesters have.been peaceful we have.opened investigations on individuals.involved.in criminal activity at these protests.some of whom.adhere to violent extremist agendas.designed to sow discord.and upheaval let me be clear we do.not investigate groups or individuals.based on ideology or the exercise of.first amendment protected activity alone.but when the ideology leads someone to.commit criminal acts.and pursue violence the fbi will not.hesitate.to take appropriate action that's why.we've been working closely with our.federal state and local partners.to ensure the safety of all of our.citizens including.i should say the safety of those trying.to exercise their first amendment rise.peacefully.we in law enforcement must keep our.communities safe.and secure while safeguarding our.citizens constitutional rights and civil.liberties and as i've said before.one of those need not and must not come.at the expense of the other.we also remain focused on other threats.in less than two months of course.americans will exercise one of their.most cherished rights to vote.in a free and fair election americans.must have confidence in our voting.system.and our election infrastructure that's.why the security of our elections.is and will continue to be one of our.highest priorities we.will not tolerate foreign interference.in our elections.and we're working closely with our.federal state and local partners as well.as the private sector to share.information.bolster security and identify and.disrupt.any threats just recently for example we.shared threat indicators with both.facebook and twitter that allowed them.to take down.fake accounts created as part of a.russian disinformation campaign.before those accounts could develop a.broader following.turning to the cyber arena we're focused.on an increasingly diverse array of.threats from our cyber adversaries from.state-sponsored.cyber intrusions by nation-states like.china.russia iran and north korea to.sophisticated cyber criminals.seeking to exploit technical.vulnerabilities primarily.for personal profit just yesterday i.announced the fbi's new cyber strategy.leveraging our unique expertise and.authorities.to impose risk and consequences on our.cyber adversaries.we're focusing on results and that means.we're working to enable.our partners operations as well as our.own to take one example.the fbi and nsa recently joined to.expose highly sophisticated.russian military intelligence malware.providing the private sector and other.government partners.the indicators they need to disrupt that.tool.we also faced increasingly blended.threat of state-sponsored economic.espionage facilitated.by cyber intrusions in july based on the.fbi's investigative work doj indicted.two chinese hackers working with the.ministry of state security for carrying.out a global.computer intrusion campaign that.targeted hundreds of victims.including i should note companies.developing covid19 vaccines.testing technology and treatment with.that kind of behavior china continues to.undercut their own claims of being a.trusted.and effective partner of the.international community.just yesterday we unsealed charges.against five chinese hackers who were.targeting victims around the world.from their safe haven in china with our.partners.we've now arrested two of their.co-conspirators in malaysia.and seized or took down hundreds of the.hackers accounts.servers and domains now i've touched on.only a handful.of the important threats we face and.only quickly at that and of course there.are many.significant others as the threats evolve.in scale impact complexity and agility.we're relying on our deep well of.expertise.intelligence and partnerships i'm.committed.to ensuring that the bureau does great.work while adhering to our core tenants.of fidelity.bravery and integrity in these.challenging times.i tell my folks that we've got to keep.calm and tackle hard.remaining faithful to our core values.and best traditions while making sure.that we're always doing the right thing.in the right way thank you happy to take.your questions.thank you very much uh for your.testimony i now recognize director.miller.uh to summarize his statement for five.minutes.thank you sir chairman thompson ranking.member rogers.distinguished members of the committee.thank you for the opportunity to appear.before you today.to discuss the global counterterrorism.environment and to highlight.the tireless work of the professionals.of your national counterterrorism center.i'm truly honored and humbled to lead.such an extraordinary group of patriots.as my statement for the record reflects.today's terrorism threat to the united.states and our allies.is less acute but more ideologically and.geographically diffuse.emanating from more groups and more.places than it did in 2001..isis and al qaeda operate in more than.two dozen countries.worldwide iran and its shia allies.increasingly threaten.u.s interests overseas and lone actors.inspired by a range of ideologies posed.the primary terrorism threat.on u.s soil our focus remains defeating.al-qaeda.its affiliates and other terrorist.actors.while defending our shores from.terrorist entry.we believe this threat picture will only.grow more complex over the coming year.as technological advances changing.geopolitical dynamics.and instability resulting from global.pandemic.create more opportunities for terrorists.to benefit.however the us and our ct partners.worldwide.can exploit some of these same dynamics.to our advantages.the complex landscape requires.thoughtful responses.that evolve along with our adversaries.and we apply the lessons that we've.learned over the last 19 years.to adapt for the future at the national.counterterrorism center.we are innovating new ways of doing.business to ensure we are best aligned.to connect the dots amid a flood of.ever-changing information.through technological innovation and.organizational realignments we are.positioning ourselves to mitigate the.threat of today.and preempt the threat of tomorrow.to do this it will require greater.resources to enrich our terrorist.identities.analysis and enhance our ability to.detect and prevent terrorist travel to.the united states.we also will need to invest in new data.science and information technology.solutions to optimize how we harness.information available.from our interagency partners to combat.the threat.in addition to adaptability an evolving.terrorist threat requires vigilance.especially as other national security.priorities eclipse counterterrorism and.prominence.and the us's physical footprint in key.jihadist theaters.shrinks we believe that chained that the.changing.national security framework and.priorities only reinforces.nctc's mandate to serve as the.government's lead agency.for counterterrorism threat information.and analysis.as our interagency partners work.diligently to allocate resources to.address the full scope.of national security challenges we.remain focused.laser focused on leading the government.ct enterprise.to guarantee that we maintain relentless.pressure on terrorist networks.and preclude them from creating.sanctuaries.from which they can plot and project.combat power.that is the central lesson learned from.our 19 years of experience in this.global war.on terror nearly two decades after 9 11.it is now more important than ever that.the nctc remains.positioned to lead the fight against.terrorism by building on its legacy.of vigilance and adaptation to prepare.for the future.i am confident that our inner.integrative and agile model has.revolutionized how the us.addresses transnational threats our.approach is a no fail mission.and is one that remains worthy of.emulation across.the federal government but perhaps most.importantly.it has allowed us to uphold our sacred.commitment to protect.and serve the american people in closing.thank you again.for the opportunity to appear before you.today.and i look forward to your questions.i thank the witnesses for their.testimony i remind.each member that he or she will have.five minutes.to question the panel i'll now recognize.myself for questions director ray.can you for the sake of the committee.identify.what organizations propose the greatest.threat.uh from a domestic standpoint here to.the homeland.uh is it right ring wing extremists or.is it.uh left wing or what does your.uh reports reflect.mr chairman the we assess that the.greatest threat.to the homeland to to us here.domestically.is not one organization certainly not.one ideology but rather.lone actors largely self-radicalized.online.who pursue soft targets.using readily accessible weapons uh and.those include.both domestic violent extremists uh of a.variety.of sorts as well as homegrown violent.extremists who are motivated by.foreign you know jihadist type sources.those two groups as those two categories.as a whole.provide the greatest challenge and.threat to us here at home.partly because and you've often heard.the expression.in the past the importance of connecting.the dots.well if you compare the threat i just.described to these sort of al-qaeda.sleeper cells of old.that group the sleeper cells you've got.a group of people.colluding conspiring fundraising.planning preparing.communicating there's a lot of dots out.there to connect if the intelligence.community and law enforcement know where.to connect and it usually occurs over a.long period of time.these people both categories the.domestic violent extremists and the.homegrown violent extremists.they don't have a lot of people they're.working with they don't take a lot of.planning and preparation they can go.from radicalization to mobilization in.weeks if not.days and so the challenge of connecting.the dots.working with nctc and our other partners.is that much greater.because there's that many fewer dots to.connect and that much less time to do it.so the.the time as the experts say from flash.to bang.is that much more uh daunting so that's.why that's the biggest challenge to us.here.in the homeland so uh when we hear.officials say uh antifa.is the biggest threat.on the left are they being correct.well we don't we don't really think of.threats in terms of left and right at.the fbi we're focused on the violence.not the ideology.uh our domestic violent extremists uh.include uh everything from racially.motivated violent extremists.which we've talked about here in this.committee before i think when i.testified last year for.example all the way to anti-government.anti-authority violent extremists and.that includes.people ranging from anarchist violent.extremists.uh people who subscribe to antifa or.other ideologies as well as.militia types and and those kinds right.well i i think.what i'm i'm trying to reflect on.is uh we hear from time to time that.this organization by name.we need to investigate the secretary.uh designee if he was here.he would get asked this question but.he's not.he asks for an investigation of antifa.because they were.the the greatest threat to the homeland.and if i'm hearing you correctly you're.saying that it's really not.organization so much as it is ideology.and i don't want to put words in your.mouth but i think that's what i heard.i appreciate that we we look at antifa.as more of an ideology or a movement.than an organization to be clear we do.have quite a number.of properly predicated domestic.terrorism investigations into violent.anarchist extremists.any number of whom self-identify with.the antifa movement and that's part of.this broader.group of domestic violent extremists.that i'm talking about but it's just one.part of it we also have.the racially motivated violent.extremists the militia types.and others uh thank you can you tell me.if um as of this date.you have information uh that russia.uh is trying to influence the election.uh.for 2020..uh yes i think uh the intelligence.community's consensus.is that russia continues.to try to influence our elections.primarily through what we would call.malign foreign influence.as opposed to what we saw in 2016 where.there was also.an effort to target election.infrastructure you know cyber targeting.we have not seen that second part yet.this year or this cycle.but we certainly have seen very active.very active.uh efforts by the russians to influence.our election.in 2020 uh through what i would call.more than malign foreign influence.side of things social media use of of.proxies.state media online journals.etc an effort to both sow divisiveness.and discord.and and i think the intelligence.community has.assessed this publicly to primarily to.denigrate vice president biden.and what the russians see as kind of an.anti-russian.establishment um that's that's.essentially what we're seeing.in 2020 thank you very much chair.uh recognizes the ranking member for.questions.thank you mr chairman director ray the.fbi.i'm sorry the department of justice has.recently announced many fbi.investigations that led to the arrest of.chinese nationals conducting highly.sensitive research.in the united states that have been.found be connected to the chinese.military.the growing number of these types of.cases and non-public details of those.arrests.raised alarm bells for me i'm.introducing legislation this week to.address.china's efforts to circumvent our.existing vetting.procedures and take advantage of our.open and world-renowned education.research institutions particularly those.that are tax.payer funded through government grants.what is the significance.and the prevalence of this threat i'm.sorry.i couldn't hear the very end of your.your question.the chinese nationals who are using our.educational.facilities for their research.uh and stealing our intellectual uh.property what what's the threat.the significance of it in your view so.the the chinese.view themselves as in a.an international talent war.and they recognize that american.innovation.and research is the envy of the world.and frankly the envy of china.and when they can't innovate and.research themselves.they send people over here.in some cases legitimately but in many.cases not.who engage in intellectual property.theft.taking information american research.and bringing it back to china to advance.china's national security goals.which has the perverse effect since a.lot of this research.is taxpayer funded as essentially the.perverse effect of having american.taxpayers.funding china's advancement at our.expense.what can congress do to help you combat.that threat.well certainly we appreciate the.congress's.allocation of resources to our.counterintelligence efforts that's an.important part of it.i think i publicly.acknowledged that the fbi now has uh.over 2 000 counter intelligence.investigations.related to china by far the biggest.chunk of our counterintelligence.portfolio and we are.opening a new chinese.counterintelligence investigation about.every 10 hours.and so the scope and scale of this.threat is really breathtaking.and we need as many.resources as we can to help everybody.tackle it but it's not just a government.problem we need to work with the private.sector you mentioned the academic sector.i will tell you i'm very encouraged by.the response we've gotten from both.the the private sector and frankly the.academic sector lately i think people in.this country are starting to wake up to.the threat.uh and voluntarily uh undertaking uh.appropriate measures so the congress can.be very helpful in kind of raising.awareness.uh both when you're all at home in your.in your districts.uh but also through your your work here.in washington.in highlighting the importance of the.threat and communicating in effect back.to the chinese that this is a.an issue that it's bipartisan that all.americans care about.and that we're not going to tolerate.anymore so you do believe that the.academic sector is sensitive to this.well yes it varies i will tell you.significantly from university to.university.about how sensitive and how cooperative.with us they've been but i think this is.frankly one of the bright spots over the.last couple of years we've had quite a.few.universities i've been to all 56 fbi.field offices and i will tell you i'm.struck by the number.of offices where universities that.three or four years ago wouldn't have.wanted an fbi agent.anywhere near campus to some uh.that now have office space set aside for.our people.um and i think that's uh it's not just.because they're idealistic and and you.know believe in the country i hope.uh but rather it's recognition that the.information that's being stolen is their.information.so it's about protecting their research.their professors.their hard work frankly uh and i think.the more of that we can have the better.off we'll be.because the fbi can't certainly can't.tackle this alone.right thank you mr mayor you're back.thank you very much.chair recognized young lady from texas.miss jackson lee.thank you very much mr chair to both of.the witnesses we thank you for your.presence and also your service to this.nation.director ray the fbi on may 30th 2019.issued the intelligence bulletin on.anti-government identity.base and fringe political conspiracy.theories very likely.motivate some domestic extremists to.commit criminal sometimes violent.activity.i think you focused or made the point.today in your testimony that.you act more toward the.ideology or you don't investigate.ideology.you are determined to assess the threat.to the united states.so i'm interested um q anon activity has.resulted in arrests of persons planning.to carry out.violent acts based on the nonsense.spouted in web forms and social media.that form the core of q anon beliefs.how do you characterize that.organization.how do i characterize q anon.q anon activity results it has resulted.in rest of persons planning to carry out.violent acts.how do you assess that organization as.it relates to violent acts.so um we view q anon uh.as as essentially less of a an.organization and more of a.sort of a complex set of conspiracy.theories.um and certainly we have had cases.where that properly predicate cases.involving violence.uh where people have been motivated by.some of those conspiracy theories.but as you said you know we don't.investigate the the ideology or the.conspiracy theory itself.um i don't think we've seen lethal.attacks uh.involving that kind of um motivation but.we have certainly.so your investigations would be driven.based upon any violent acts.correct violent we we no matter what.ideology or belief it is.uh of domestic uh violent extremism.we look at three things one violence or.a threat of violence to.a federal crime obviously and then third.the motivation that that fuels it if we.have to have those three things to open.an investigation.black lives matter was organized shortly.after the.tragic senseless death of trayvon martin.young people took to the streets asking.for justice.they have obviously continued their.fight for justice and particularly in.the.wake of police shootings of.african-american men.and most recently of course uh george.floyd.my constituent and elijah.blake in states in this country.do you see uh just on the name of black.lives matter.and the basis of their organizing them.as a extremist.group intending to turn america into a.socialist nation.or to destroy america.we don't we don't express a view on.on the the sort of political.organization itself.of black lives matter um if there were.people who.who uh follow that group or who.uh adhere to that ideology who were then.to.based on that ideology or anything else.to commit violent criminal activity then.we would approach them just like we.would anyone else but you're no longer.pointing to black identity groups.well i think what you're referring to we.had some good conversations in the past.about this.in uh in 2017 there was.briefly a product or a category that the.fbi came up with that uh.predates me about the black identity.extremists right.i i just want you to say yes and on the.reason is because my time is short and i.appreciate the work i'm familiar with.the point i'm trying to make is that.just the existence of black lives matter.and their advocacy for justice.is not determined them to be disruptive.socialist groups trying to destroy the.nation you have not characterized them.in that way.we don't characterize them one one way.or the other no have you seen any.excessive violence that can be.attributable to black lives matter.as opposed to any other groups that may.be involved in violence.i can't think of one sitting here right.now certainly we have had racially.motivated violent extremist cases.involving um.involving african-american defendants.who have pursued violence against say.law enforcement and whether any of those.cases involve some reference to black.lives matter sitting here right now i.can't recall one but we certainly have.had cases of the first category as.you've had cases with.white individuals as well with violence.against officers.absolutely in particular the one in.oakland california.individuals carrillo and justice um.were known to have been the culprits in.the shootings.bugaloo boys and proud boys those.individuals were not.involved in protests to your knowledge.as vice president pinch indicated pence.indicated that they were involved in.protests.these were white individuals who.unfortunately tragically shot.officers dave patrick underwood and.other in another one.are you familiar with that i i'm yes i'm.familiar with the case those are not.gentlelady's time has expired it can he.were those protesters well on the on the.carillo case i.i don't think we uh my recollection is.there was no.evidence that he was participating in.the protests himself i think there was.information that.he capitalized on the protest.as a a setting or a medium.for which he could commit the tragic.attack on the fps officers that you.referred to.thank you thank you very much uh cheer.recognize the gentleman from louisiana.mr.higgins for five minutes.i thank the chairman and the panelist.for the record mr chairman.i'd like to i'd like to thank the.department of homeland security and.and secretary wolf for actively and.personally participating.in the uh recovery supervision of.my district after hurricane laura.secretary wolf was on the ground fast.and uh he's been personally at my veil i.regret.that we were not able to work out his.appearance here today.but i do appreciate his service and the.direction he's given.uh and the personal assistance he's.given to my office.in the wake of hurricane laura and the.devastation we've suffered there.director ray thank you for being here.today good sir and.i'd like to to talk to you about.election security.the national counterintelligence.security center the ncsc.released a statement last month.outlining china russia and iran's effort.to interfere with the upcoming.presidential election.uh you also mentioned in your written.testimony that foreign adversaries.are attempting to sway u.s voters.preferences and perspectives.to shift u.s policies and to increase.discord.in the united states and ultimately to.undermine the american people's.confidence in our election.process can you share with us regarding.social media platforms.which is is primarily the means by which.this interference.uh effort is is being pushed how is the.fbi working with the.social media platforms to ensure our.election security.and to minimize uh fake profiles and.foreign.uh influence in our in the attitudes and.perspectives.of our of the american people.well congressman thank you for uh for.the question uh.you are correct that we are are working.uh increasingly closely.and have been building over the last few.years uh.in our working with uh the social media.sector in particular but also other.kinds of technology companies to.thwart the malign foreign influence.threat.um we uh one of the i guess the best way.to describe the way that works.and this is really one of the the.greatest improvements that has occurred.in our collective defense against.election interference over the last few.years.we will take leads that we have.information that we have.work very closely with some of the key.social media companies we feed them.information and they are able to take.action.on their platforms uh using their terms.of service or terms of use.to shut down and kick off uh.fake accounts trolls bots etc.and in the turn a lot of times what will.happen and this is happening more and.more.which is great they're sending back to.us.new accounts they've identified.that then allow us to have more leads to.pursue more investigative activity.and so i mentioned one example of my.opening statement that recently occurred.where.we were able to pass information to.facebook and twitter they were able to.shut down.russian influence accounts really right.before they could ever build a following.and the faster we can do that.and the more agile way we can do that.the better.and the reason for that i think is.important for people to understand.misinformation or disinformation or fake.information.is only effective if it seems credible.and it's only credible if it's built up.some reservoir credibility which means.that.these russian efforts require a certain.amount of time.to build up kind of a reservoir of.credibility so that when they're really.active people care what they have to say.and if we're able to shut them down.and knock them back quickly before they.can really build up that credibility.then it's not going to stop it but it.means that it's much much less effective.so we need more of that we're having.more of that.yes sir thank you for that assessment.that's.those were encouraging words can we.can we conclude based upon your.perspective.uh director ray that.the fbi does have an uh an ongoing.and functional relationship with the.social media platforms.to to deter and and or to dismantle.ultimately individual.efforts by foreign nation states to.sway the perspectives of the american.people and to ultimately influence our.elections.are are you comfortable with with uh.with the kind of.with the kind of relationship and.communications.you're having with the social media.giants.well um i guess the best way i could.answer that is to say.i tend to be.ambitious for the organization for the.country uh.and so i think there's always room for.improvement and i'm always impatient for.more progress and more improvement.but certainly the strides that we have.made at the fbi.working with some of those companies.over the last few years.uh it has really been very encouraging.um and i think we're making great.progress i'd like to see more progress.including from them um but we're moving.in the right direction for.thank you sir sure chairman my time has.expired i yield.i get chair recognized as a gentleman.from rhode island mr langevin for five.minutes.uh thank you mr chairman and i want to.begin by.uh thanking director ray and and.director miller.uh for your presence here today uh and.for your testimony.uh hearing from our nation's top law.enforcement and homeland security.officials.uh uh on the um uh.enforcement of homeland security.officials on the threats facing our.country is a paramount.importance to the american people and.i'd also like to uh denote my.uh profound disappointment that mr wolf.has declined.to to join you and i associate myself.with the chairman's uh.march earlier on that topic director ray.let me um.begin with uh with you and let me start.uh on the topic of the solarium.commission in which i served as a.commissioner as did you.um i want to thank you for your.participation.uh on the commission as well as that of.deputy director uh broderick.on the uh this commission i'm very proud.of the collaborative.uh work that we did in developing.recommendations many of which i'm.optimistic will become law.by the end of the year uh what are your.observations director.on the final report and which.recommendations do you consider most.pressing.well first let me say uh i appreciated.the opportunity to.to serve on the commission um and i.commend.my fellow commissioners especially uh.you and senator king and.and others for uh for really.pushing this topic uh.before hopefully we have some some truly.uh apocalyptic cyber crisis in this.country.um and for not shying away for some very.hard issues.the i think there are several.recommendations.in the report that we really would think.would benefit.our cyber investigative and intelligence.missions and i think the commission was.on the right track on that including.in particular really highlighting uh and.encouraging.the government to double down on our.national cyber.uh investigative joint investigative.task force the ncijtf um.uh that sort of brings a whole.government approach to the importance of.attribution.uh which is so key um the uh.you also i think the commission also.highlighted a number of statutory.uh gaps and inconsistencies there's.references to the need to update for.example the pen and.pen register and trap and trace statute.there's references to administrative.subpoena authority for.computer intrusion cases um those are a.few things that jump out of me.uh certainly the highlight that's that's.good i'm gonna.my time to show so let me uh jump to.another topic i also.uh want to highlight the joint.collaborative environment.to allow analysts across government and.the private sector work together produce.their.uh cyber threat uh intelligence products.uh so uh that's a another important one.but let me.turn to elections because this is a very.important topic.we only have about seven weeks to go.until the election and.uh early voting begins uh monday.and misinformation and disinformation.from foreign and domestic actors are.widespread and we've discussed.some of this topic already this morning.director ray who is responsible for.coordinating election security.across the interagency and to put it.bluntly who.is in charge and.i also want to know who is responsible.for coordinating efforts to combat.election related uh misinformation and.disinformation.but take them in order there.so um the fbi takes the lead.on uh maligned foreign influence.domestically.um and we work closely with through our.foreign influence task force.uh we have people from nsa for example.on our task force.uh we work very closely as i mentioned a.few minutes ago with the social media.companies.uh and that's a really almost daily.engagement.uh and we engage through the foreign.influence task force.uh really every day especially in the.current uh.run-up to the election uh in the.interagency.on the malign foreign influence piece um.who would you say is in charge at the.interagency.i'm sorry who would you say is.responsible for coordinating.uh across the interagency who's in.charge.uh well we all work together uh just as.we do.against against the terrorist threat.it's an interagency process we take the.lead.on on the malign foreign influence.threat ghs takes the lead on.election infrastructure hardening.odni takes the lead in terms of.coordinating the.intelligence analysis that comes out of.it.and who's responsible for combating the.election related.misinformation disinformation i think.the fbi takes the lead in combating that.well this is uh i appreciate your answer.your perspective i know my time has run.out but i.will say this really underscores the.need for a national cyber director.uh so that a across uh.response we have someone that is.identified as the person in charge of.working together is important i highly.support a collaborative environment.but also having someone in charge is.essential i know my time's expired mr.chairman i.uh yield back at this point i'll have.other questions for the record thank you.very much.uh chair recognizes young lady from.arizona miss lesko.thank you mr chair and thank you both of.you and all your employees for the hard.work you do protecting our nation.um director ray uh when do you plan to.declassify the 302s that were produced.regarding the ukraine election.interference in the 2016 election.[Music].i don't have an update for you on the.timing of any specific declassification.document.but i'm happy to see if there's.information we can provide.back to your office as a follow-up.thank you um and uh director ray.as you know ig horowitz identified.numerous.major errors in the fisa court.application process.under the obama administration's.i would classify it as spying on the.trump campaign.and so what status are we at in cleaning.that whole process up.so i appreciate the question let me say.first that i think.that report describes conduct that i.consider unacceptable.and unrepresentative of who i know the.fbi to be as an organization.and it cannot be allowed to happen again.uh.i've installed an entirely new.leadership team.i put in place on the same day the.report came out.implemented over 40 corrective actions.that accepted every recommendation.in the ig's report and then went above.and beyond.the senior most people involved in that.investigation.uh are all gone uh either terminated.during my tenure or.resigned or retired um.and we're moving forward uh with changes.to.processes training oversight within the.organization.we're creating a new office of internal.audit.you may have seen an announcement from.the attorney general on that we've got.his approval to do that uh which will uh.sort of provide the uh sort of the back.end check.uh the old sort trust but verify we'll.get the verify part uh coming through.that.uh so i'm very encouraged by the.progress we're making but but you know.it's going to take hard work.well thank you and i'm glad that you.appreciate it because obviously to the.average american person.including me if the fbi.can spy on an incoming president of the.united states.every person in america is concerned.that they will spy on them and so.i'm glad it's being cleaned up i do have.a question about boogaloo.recently it's my understanding that two.americans.self-identifying as members of the.bugaloo boys.were arrested for attempting to partner.with hamas.due to their similar goals and missions.um.have there been any arrests have.how have these arrests modified the dhs.and fbi approach to investigating and.handling rioters.and domestic terrorists uh.so i appreciate you you're flagging that.particular case uh.i think it's a very revealing.interesting case it was a minneapolis.case.uh those are two individuals um who.i think associated themselves with the.boogaloos which.much like antifa is more of a movement.or an ideology.than it is a um a group itself.uh but i think one of the things a lot.of people don't understand about people.who subscribe to this sort of boogaloo.thinking.is that their main focus is just.dismantling.tearing down government uh and they're.less clear on what it is they think.they're going to replace government with.i'm not even sure they would all agree.with each other and and that's why this.case in minneapolis that you highlighted.is so revealing.because these two individuals decided.uh that they were on board with.providing material support to hamas.which is not something that most people.would previously is associated.with yeah it's very interesting i do.have one last question only 49 seconds.left.uh there have been statements by top uh.people here in fact.chairman nadler has said on the floor of.the u.s house of representatives.that basically antifa is a fantasy.made up by the radical right or fox news.or something to that effect.would you agree with that is antifa a.total fantasy or is it real.uh so antifa is a real thing.um it's not a group or an organization.it's a.it's a movement or an an ideology maybe.one way of thinking of it.and we have quite a number and i've said.this consistently.since my first time appearing before.this committee.we have any number of properly.predicated investigations into what we.would describe.as violent anarchist extremists and some.of those.individuals self-identify with.uh with antifa thank you sir and i yield.back.thank you chair recognized gentleman.from louisiana mr richmond.for five minutes.thank you mr chairman uh mr chairman let.me just uh.express how disappointed i am that.dhs is not here um although.you know there are real things that we.need to know especially in louisiana.from dhs.we have wildfires we have hurricanes we.need to know if fema has the funds.to help our american citizens whose.lives have been.turned upside down for those people in.lake charles louisiana.that are in shelters and surrounding.cities like.new orleans we need to know what's.fema's plan.does dhs has the funds have the funds.been moved over to build a wall.now look fortunately for new orleans.we were escaped this time from major.damage.however because of what congress did for.us after hurricanes katrina and rita we.continue to pay it forward.and even though my colleagues may not.from louisiana may not want to criticize.dhs or the president i will do it uh.we have people who are uh.very vulnerable now and we need to know.what's the federal government's plan.the amount of money they have and for.dhs not to be here.is uh sad let me.start uh director ray really quick um.we you talked about movements and.ideologies.uh but black lives matter is more of a.principle.and an organization and what i'm trying.to.what i'd like to to go into very quickly.is that do you all identify it as an.extremist organization.okay i'm sorry can you repeat the.question i'm having a little bit of a.hard time.a principle and it's also an.organization.do you all identify black lives matter.as an extremist.organization we have not.identified black lives matter do you.in any way do you identify.the organization as a violent.organization.or a threat to peace.we have as i said we have not identified.the organization in any way we don't.um unlike on the international terrorism.side the foreign terrorist side.there is no mechanism under uh under u.s.law for us to and we.domestic organizations as um as anything.really.well director ray i know that you hear.all the time this whole mantra of law.and order.and what i'm trying to do is get you to.give some clarification because.things may get silly dangerous or.foolish.and so my example would be uh posting on.social media.uh a comment that if.on.black people come to my city i will drop.ten of them.that is dangerous rhetoric especially.when we see.uh people exercising their right to.carry arms.that are white and out of black and for.people to.assume that the ones that are black are.a threat that they can publicly say i.will drop.ten of you is concerning and i know that.you as i.one of our top law and order officials.should have some concern about that.rising level of rhetoric.and agitation.well we are i think are very concerned.about violence of any kind.including violence that deprives.citizens.of their constitutional rights and civil.liberties.and certainly one of the one of the.concerns that we have.amidst all the current unrest uh is a.growing trend.of um a protest begets counter protest.begets violence against one side against.the other and so you there's.sort of this increasing phenomenon of.individuals attacking each other.in addition to attacking law enforcement.and that's not good for anybody.thank you director and really quickly a.lot of my mayors have called me from.around the country.that are saying wait the violence in the.streets the.chaos and the destruction of property.people are assigning to black lives.matter and from our experience.what we're seeing is that is in fact not.black lives matter would you agree with.that statement.i don't think i i don't think i would.characterize it the way uh the way.you're hearing.certainly i guess what i would say is.from.one city to another from one night to.another.uh who's committing violence and.destruction of property.varies widely uh sometimes certainly.from city to city sometimes from night.to night.i think in general what we're seeing.across the country uh.are sort of three groups right one is.three categories maybe a better way of.putting it one is peaceful protesters.lawful peaceful protesters a second.is sort of what i would call criminal.opportunists people.engaged in kind of state local you know.low-level vandalism and looting and.things like that that's criminal.activity needs to be addressed largely a.state and local matter.and then there's a third category which.is the most dangerous and those are the.people.engaged in arsons of police vehicles.throwing a molotov cocktails.you know those kinds of things that's.the group that we.fbi are most focused on most concerned.about.and those groups are motivated by a wide.variety.of ideologies and agendas.thank you and i see my time there oh i.yield back mr chairman.thank you chair recognized gentleman.from pennsylvania.for five minutes mr joyce thank you mr.thompson.thank you director miller and director.ray for this important.update on worldwide threats to our.homeland director ray.are you seeing a coordinated effort from.radical anarcho.left-wing organizations who are.currently.perhaps targeting law enforcement.officers.well um as i said uh a few minutes ago.the violence varies widely.um much of the violence that we're.seeing.uh it does not appear to be organized or.attributed to any one particular group.or even movement that doesn't make it.any less serious.or criminal or unacceptable now we are.seeing.uh in certain pockets more kind of.regionally organized.folks coalescing often coordinating on.the ground.in the middle of protests you know in.terms of tactics.and things like that and that is some of.the most dangerous activity because.that's often what leads to.destruction of small business.destruction.of government buildings and particularly.concerning to me.you know assaults on on law enforcement.and.and federal law enforcement officials in.particular but not exclusively.uh we've got case after case of people.uh burning setting fire and pouring.gasoline and.setting fire to marked police vehicles.um.and this so this is not innocuous.activity.um and uh it takes a very very very.special person to be willing.to put his or her life on the line for.complete strangers.every day which is what law enforcement.in this country does.um and even before all this latest.activity.the rate of line of duty deaths was.alarming then you add on top of that.covet and covet deaths for law.enforcement continue because of course.law enforcement doesn't have the ability.to sit it out and now.we've seen a significant uptake in.violence against law enforcement in this.country this year it's up markedly from.last year and the reason i know that.besides just looking at the statistics.is that i made it a practice after.becoming fbi director to.every time there is an officer shot and.killed in this country.to personally call the chief or sheriff.responsible for that.officer and express my condolences and.support on behalf of the fbi.and i will tell you we had a stretch.just recently.late august early september i think it.was maybe more recently than that.where over a 15-day stretch.i made seven of those phone calls that's.an officer.feloniously killed every other day and.these are people you know average ages.in their late.30s they had their whole lives ahead of.them they had families.and it breaks my heart i applaud you for.connecting with local law enforcement.when these tragedies occur.you and i realize that these men and.women bravely.every day put on the unit uniform to.protect us.continuing along this line has there.been any assistance from social media.companies to help weed out potential.threats when these.organizations are using their platforms.well somewhat like what i was describing.in response to a question earlier on the.election influence.context or threat we do have.relationships with the social media.companies.um in which again in a similar way.uh they will sometimes detect activity.on their platforms.uh and working jointly with us they will.sometimes use their terms of use or.terms of service to shut down or kick.off those accounts.and flag information for law enforcement.um so any assistance i would say yes.some assistance it varies.you know a bit from company to company.some of them devote more resources to.to that kind of operation which supports.law enforcement than others.but we do certainly have a number of of.engagements with.or partnerships almost with some of.those companies.and finally do you see any foreign.governments attempting to communicate.with these organizations.or assist any political party within.them.i'm sorry which which organizations are.we talking about now with these.left-wing.organizations which i think are behind.so much of the.attacks on law enforcement.well uh i guess i would answer that in.in two parts.one we uh we have seen.um some efforts by our foreign.adversaries.um i would mention china and russia.specifically but.not exclusively to um sort of piggyback.on a lot of the unrest.activity that's been occurring as part.of the effort.either to sow divisiveness and discord.in the case of the russians.or to try to advance their own.narratives.uh say in the case of the chinese.so there's that level of kind of.engagement and then i would say.the second piece is maybe not the.organizations you're talking about but.we.we have seen some engagement between.racially motivated violent extremists.uh and like-minded individuals overseas.on that front um thank you for your.insights and thank you for your update.chair recognizes gentleman from new.jersey.mr payne for five minutes.thank you mr chairman uh it's uh honor.and privilege to be here today.uh with the committee and uh let me.um first say to um mr ray.and mr miller that i appreciate.uh you um.understand your obligation to show up.when the committee.um requests your appearance uh as.opposed to.um the empty chair that is there.uh uh and let me ask.uh mr ray uh.is there a um.so with antifa you're saying it's more.of an ideology than.an organized group um.you know which you know a lot of people.uh you know on the other side.feel is some organized group is it an.organized group or is it.more just a notion of thought of.philosophy uh.with respect to um this because.you know when i hear this um you know.antifa is there.antifa is doing this i'm still trying to.figure out.who what antifa is could you enlighten.me.well uh first let me say as i think i.said in response to an earlier question.antifa is a real thing it's not a.fiction.but it is it's not an.organization or a structure.we view it more as a we understand it to.be more of a.kind of a movement um or maybe you could.call it an ideology.and we certainly have as i've said a.number of and we have had.for some time and we've opened quite a.number this year.uh of improperly predicated.investigations into violent anarchist.extremists.who subscribe to self-identify with.antifa they say you know i am antifa you.know things like that.and we have seen uh individuals i think.i've mentioned this in response to one.of the earlier questions.identified with the antifa movement.coalescing regionally into what you.might describe.as small groups or nodes and we are.actively investigating.the potential of violence from those.regional.nodes if you will.thank you uh congressman you might need.to.unmute yourself.uh we've been uh advised that we're.having some issues with.webex right now we're trying to correct.them we'll.stand by.um.okay okay.uh gentlemen from new jersey may.continue.uh thank you mr chairman uh.is there did um.mr ray did you finish your um your.response.i i i finished my response but i'm not.sure whether you still uh online.uh while i finished um.i'd be happy to i'd be happy to pick up.where i left if you could tell me where.you.lost uh well i i think.i think i i got the uh the gist of um.your response so uh i'll move on um.mr mr miller the past four years of.seeing the united states significantly.scale back.its presence and commitments around the.world.our nato allies no longer trust us to.keep our.commit keep our commitments uh leaving.the.door open for other forces to step in.and as uh we've seen.time uh as we've seen time and again.uh instability leads to violence.is the national counter terrorism center.planning.for the effects of a global vacuum.a global leadership vacuum.thank you sir for that question uh.i've been so impressed uh i've been.doing this for.a few years and i the most amazing thing.is.uh the partnerships we have.internationally.on the counterterrorism front and i have.seen no degradation.in our commitment and our partnerships.in that regards as a matter of fact.oftentimes it's it's almost one of those.during the cold war we said foreign.policy ended at the water's edge it's.very much the same way with.counterterrorism now.obviously concerned about drawing back.from our commitments overseas but we.maintain a robust.a very significant counter-terrorism.presence overseas and we have the.ability to.uh generate combat power and deploy that.forward if there's a.enemy uh a terrorist group that is in a.position to threaten us.do you do you believe that the united.states is acting as.a global leader should.as you noted uh we're in a great.transformation geopolitically and.geostrategically.from the counterterrorism aspect uh i.talk with all my partners regularly uh.with our five eyes.and uh i feel very confident that we.maintain a.close relationship and partnership and.leadership role.gentleman from new jersey's time has.expired.chair recognized gentleman from north.carolina mr bishop.thank you mr chairman uh i have a doggie.in the background sounds like uh.first i'd look that the petty game about.who from the department of homeland.security testifies today must be amazing.to americans outside the beltway.this is the annual hearing on worldwide.threats to the homeland.and i can't for one imagine setting.aside that priority in order to engage.in a snit.with the department about whether mr.wolf or mr cuccinelli appears.that we have neither and in light of.that i'll direct.questions uh director ray to you all.summer.and early fall of course we've seen.numerous and ongoing riots.looting property destruction even.serious injuries and killings.in cities across the united states.minneapolis.la seattle charleston chicago.st louis washington dc rochester.lancaster.and of course portland come to mind and.we've seen some media characterize these.events as fiery but mostly peaceful.and politicians have dismissed them.occasionally as myth.but americans have seen independent.reports and shocking videos and they.keep coming.i don't really understand the thinking.of lawmakers who seek perversely to.justify this criminality by pointing to.the existence of other violent.extremists with different.ideology i would think all elected.officials.would condemn violence regardless of the.ideology of the perpetrators and perhaps.especially for.ideologies closer to their position on.the on the spectrum.but indeed as ms lesko pointed out.earlier the characterization of right.and left in these things is pretty hard.to pin down.in any event some of these reports even.early on have suggested.that there were pallets of brick.pre-positioned in riot areas.we've seen reports of vehicles on scene.to facilitate or supply rioters.coordination of activity via social.media you made reference to earlier.and interstate travel of rioters to.multiple venues.all of these in turn suggest a funding.source or multiple funding sources.you have made reference as has the.attorney general to numerous arrests.having been made.are you investigating sources of funding.in support of that criminal activity.uh i appreciate the question and.certainly we have a number of.investigations.and are pursuing a number of leads that.do things like try to identify.networks travelers supply sources.we look at repeat offenders.as i mentioned i think in response to a.question from one of your colleagues.one of the things that's been so.challenging about this is that an awful.lot of the.uh the coordination or.coordination or organization if you will.that occurs is happening.kind of on the ground you know in the.dark.uh on the streets at a tactical level.as opposed to kind of on a more.structured or coordinated.national level and that makes it that.much harder to investigate and disrupt.but i i think it's important for for.people to understand that although i do.agree.that the majority of the people out.there protesting.in general across the country are.peaceful protesters there's no question.that the big number.the biggest number is peaceful.protesters that should not diminish.which i think is the point you're making.from the fact that even though it might.numerically be a smaller group.uh that's very dangerous activity that.that small.group is engaged in uh and and that's.why the fbi.is focused uh much as your question was.we're focused on the violence.to to be not the ideology to be surely.cared left right.violence is wrong we're going after the.violence we don't care what motivates.to be sure uh those issues ought to be.irrelevant to this committee.or to any law enforcement agency in the.united states that is to say what.uh ideology someone has or their first.amendment activity.and to say so that much of that.happening is.frankly something that we should take no.cognizance of but as to those people who.are engaging in.in violence and destruction and there.have been many.the question becomes with its.proliferation in so many places.is the fbi examining the finances.underlying the people who you arrest to.see what their venmo accounts say to see.what the sources.of cash are that come to them that.they're buying their supplies with and.their.fireworks that they fire law enforcement.officers and are you using civil.forfeiture laws to.to disrupt those sources of funding and.the like.uh well without reference any specific.investigation i can tell you that there.are any number of investigations in.which.the uh the source of funding uh the.source of supply.are things that that are particular.interest and and the things that we're.actively questioning and pursuing leads.on.as far as the civil forfeiture piece uh.i will confess that sitting here right.right now in the hearing i can't off the.top of my head think of.a situation where we've yet been able to.use that but we will use every tool.in our toolbox if we think it fits.my time's expired thank you mr chairman.thank you chair recognized young lady.from new york.for five minutes miss rice thank you mr.chairman.mr miller late last month your boss the.director of national intelligence.ratcliffe.said the office of the director of.national intelligence would cease.in-person election security briefings to.congress.then just yesterday he reversed that.decision and said that he will continue.to brief the senate and house intel.committees.on efforts to secure the 2020 elections.from foreign interference.but will no longer conduct briefings for.all lawmakers.citing the need to protect intelligence.sources and methods.it's incredibly frustrating that a.non-partisan issue like the security of.our elections.has been so politicized that members of.congress.are now considered untrustworthy of this.critical information.it's also particularly alarming that.this information is being withheld from.members of congress.only weeks after dhs confirmed publicly.that russia was working to boost.president trump.again by discrediting vice president.biden's health.will you commit to us that the odni will.continue to keep.all members of congress informed on.election security threats.and if your answer is yes how do you.plan on doing that.ma'am with all respect i don't do.election security i.absolutely will provide any information.you require.the congress requires on terrorism.matters but.that that really uh is a decision that's.been being made.uh at the dni level and i i might my.center we just do.uh counterterrorism ma'am well maybe you.can take the message back to your boss.because yes ma'am.to say that members of congress are not.worthy.to be trusted with this information when.it's actually our job to have.this information and to have some level.of oversight.is really disturbing yes ma'am i'd be.happy to take that message back thank.you.um mr ray recently the department of.justice and federal partners conducted.the largest ever seizure of.terrorist organizations cryptocurrency.accounts seizing.in total 300 accounts allegedly used by.foreign terrorist organizations like al.qaeda isis and hamas to fund attacks.this this out of this committee we.passed a bipartisan bill that would.require dhs to develop and submit a.threat assessment report.on the use of virtual currencies by.terrorist organizations.um this this version of the bill was.included in the ndaa and signed into law.in just this past.december this case demonstrates the.adaptability.of terrorist groups who have.traditionally used unlicensed money.services businesses or other.money laundering operations to adopt.their terror finance activities.to the cyber age um.in your opinion will cryptocurrencies.continue to be used by these terrorist.organizations on a wider basis.what trends are you and your respective.uh department.um seeing in this matter.well uh congresswoman i i agree with you.that cryptocurrency.um is uh is a source of particular.concern.it's proliferating not just across.terrorist threats but across.other kinds of criminal threats as well.and within the terrorism space.both across international terrorists and.domestic.and it makes it one of the key.investigative tools.that we have one of the key.investigative strategies that we have.uh in that space much as was.uh in the answer that i just gave to to.congressman bishop.is to follow the money that's one of our.go-to moves and of course the ability to.follow the money.is critical across every threat and the.cryptocurrency.makes it that much harder for us to do.that we have developed a lot of.expertise on that but.each time we uh sort of solve one kind.of cryptocurrency a new kind comes on.the market.and part of the reason why this is such.a big deal.is that it it fits with other.technological trends which.um which have a similar kind of effect.of hiding and obstructing criminal.activity from law enforcement so.if you think about any investigation we.have you've got the stuff the documents.the communications.you got the people the witnesses the.sources human sources and you got the.money.well if cryptocurrency hides the money.if default end-to-end encryption.blocks us from any kind of lawful access.to the stuff.and if artificial intelligence and.all the various ways in which technology.makes it easier to.uh to find human sources makes it harder.for us to protect human sources then we.lose the money.the people and the stuff and that's when.we're in a really bad space as a country.from.from protecting us from terrorist.threats all the way to organized.criminal threats.and others um can i ask you to just talk.a little bit more.you made reference earlier in response.to a question about.the collaboration that your agency has.with social media platforms in terms of.misinformation and disinformation can.you just talk more.about that because if people can't trust.the information that they're getting i.mean that just goes to the heart of.you know really affecting you know what.i think all of us on this committee want.to do which is everyone's.right and ability to.vote and base their decisions on.facts not misinformation and.disinformation.uh so this is one of our key challenges.both for the fbi.and for the interagency and for the.country.misinformation disinformation is not new.but what is new.is the ability through social media.to amplify it at scale in a much more.challenging way.that's why the partnerships with the.private sector with silicon valley.the tech companies et cetera has become.so critical to our efforts there are.things that they can do and they have.resources.uh to take responsibility for things.that are happening on their own.platforms.uh much more quickly uh and and.within greater legal flexibility under.their terms of use in terms of service.than we could do.through law enforcement means um.uh and so that's why that is that's part.of the key effort now.we the fbi are not and can't be the.truth police.and a lot of people don't understand.that that is not how we go about.deterring misinformation efforts and.malign foreign influence.we follow the threat so if it's the.russians we follow the russian actors.if we identify certain accounts we talk.to the social media companies.they take action but we don't have.people sitting on social media.trying to find things that look false.and then wondering who did it we go the.other way we look at the actor.and then see what they're trying to.spread the social media companies though.they can come at it in whatever way they.want based on their terms of service and.they have.resources that i envy sometimes that.they can.and should and are increasingly bringing.to the fight.it's particularly of concern to us in.the election context.when americans make the mistake of.getting information.about elections themselves from social.media so it's one thing to push out.misinformation about a candidate or a.policy or something else.but when information gets pushed out.about where you go to vote.whether your polling place is open.whether it's closed.that kind of thing we're trying to make.sure americans know to get information.about.where and when and how you vote you need.to go to your local election officials.website and don't take it.from social media thank you both for.being here today thank you mr thank you.very much chi i recognize this gentleman.from texas mr crenshaw.for five minutes thank you mr chairman.thank you for moving us into a much.cooler room yeah much cooler.yeah all right um thank you uh director.ray for being here um i'd like to ask.you about a.a number of things uh china iran.uh russia the thing is is i think.politically there's not that much.daylight.between us on these issues we largely.agree on these on these threats.what there seems to be disagreement over.politically speaking is the source of.the domestic threats that we're facing.uh the the vast amount of looting.rioting and destruction that's occurred.in our country over the last.few months i don't understand why we.disagree on these origins but we do.there's been a lot of peaceful protests.that is absolutely true there's also.been more than 550 declared.riots many stoked by extremists in.antifa and the blm organization.recent report indicated between one and.two billion dollars of insurance claims.will be paid out that doesn't even come.close to measuring the actual.and true damage done to people's lives.not even close that's just insurance.we've heard multiple reports of.small businesses without any insurance.whatsoever some of these will never open.up even if they did.get insurance payments and i've heard.many members.of this body of this committee question.whether antifa even.exists director ray earlier you.confirmed antifa does indeed exist but.you considered it more of an ideology.than a group correct.yes an ideology or maybe a movement.okay that seems to me to be downplaying.it.and this is an ideology that organizes.locally it coordinates regionally and.nationally whereas a standardized.uniform.it collects funds to buy high-powered.lasers to blind federal officers build.homemade explosive devices.feed their rioters since they clearly.aren't working and then bail out those.who've been arrested this is an.ideology that has trained its members.makes shield wall balances to attack.federal officers.it formed an autonomous zone in an.american city and besieged a federal.courthouse.in another so i mean it just seems to be.more.than an ideology do you have a way to to.define what you mean by it's not a group.so uh i want to be clear that by.describing it as as an ideology or.movement.i by no means mean to minimize.uh the seriousness of the violence and.criminality.that is going on across the country some.of which is attributable to that.people inspired by or who self-identify.with that ideology and movement.we're focused on that violence on that.criminality and some of it is extremely.serious.and you mentioned before three.categories the criminality the peaceful.protesting but then.you didn't use these words but i will.ideological rioting.i think that sort of matches that third.category of what you said the people who.purposefully want to instigate it.antifa being clearly one of them so i.want to read you the.the definition of domestic terrorism um.section 2331 says domestic terrorism has.three components a.involve acts dangerous to human life.that are a violation of the criminal.laws of the united states.or of any state b appear to be intended.first to intimidate or coerce a civilian.population two to influence the policy.of a government by intimidation or.coercion or three to affect the conduct.of a government by mass destruction.assassination or kidnapping.and see occur primarily within the.territorial jurisdiction of the united.states.does that at all match the activities of.antifa.well certainly matches the activity of.some of the individuals we're.investigating.and pursued other kinds of charges.against you put your finger on.a little bit of a legal predicament.which is that there is not.uh currently uh in title 18.a domestic terrorism offense or crime as.such there's a definition it seems.pretty specific.well there's a definition but ironically.there's not a.unlike on the international foreign.terrorist side there's not a.crime of domestic terrorism that you can.charge so.typically we in domestic terrorism cases.including of the sort you're describing.we're pursuing explosive charges.firearms charges.rioting charges you mentioned uh or.other are you prevented from say.following the money following the.websites that these groups are clearly.organizing again it seems strange to me.that we can't call it a group.we're not we're not uh precluded from.following the money and as i've said to.congressman bishop we have a number of.investigations.one more one more question before my.time not a material support.to offense like there is we know we can.do material support to al-qaeda or isis.there's not a material support to a.domestic terrorism.one more question the fbi civil rights.investigation can target law enforcement.officials who willfully fail to keep the.public from harm.in violation of the color of law statute.does that apply to mayors and city.councils who have.restrained their police department such.as mayor wheeler in portland mayor de.blasio in new york.and the minneapolis city council.oh well respectful i think that's a.legal question that i would want to.defer to the attorney general and.department of justice on whether that.would apply there.thank you i healed my time i think chair.recognized gentleman from california mr.correa.thank you mr chairman i want to thank.our witnesses today uh.uh director ray uh director miller for.being here today.and i thank all the good folks that work.under you.and your agencies for keeping us in this.country safe.and keeping our family safe as well i.know thank you mr chairman thompson also.for holding this most important hearing.and your focus today is the central.topic of this.homeland security which is keeping this.country secure.one of the purposes of this committee is.to assess.international as well as domestic.threats to this country.uh one of those threats right now.biggest one i hear.about much in my district is.election security.but not only are foreign actors.threatening to.again interfere with their election but.there's a lot of concern in my district.about.transition peaceful transition of power.in this country that's been the hallmark.of our democracy.and a lot of my constituents are.concerned that if president trump loses.in november.he will not relinquish power and.will try to stay in office.i'm reminded of al gore who lost the.election in the year 2000.by a ruling of five to four united.states supreme court.um i'm saddened that mr wolfe is not.here today.because i wanted to ask him a few.questions yes or no.and i really what i really wanted for mr.wolf was i wanted to ask him to make the.same commitment.as general mark milley the chairman of.the joint chiefs of staffs made and.i'm going to quote him open quote and.general milley said i believe deeply in.the principle.of in a political u.s military in the.event of a dispute over some aspect of.the elections.comma by law u.s courts and the u.s.congress.are required to resolve any disputes.not the military and i foresee.no role for the u.s armed forces in this.process.and i was hoping this mr wolf would also.take that pledge and mr chairman.since he's not here like to uh submit.for the.record that these questions in writing.and hopefully you can get.them to him and he will respond to them.without objection.and a gentleman i have a question for.both of you.sometime in mid-august the senate.intelligence committee.released its fifth and final version or.volume i should say.regarding the russian interference into.the 2016.election that senate report.found that manafort passed sensitive.campaign information.to russian intelligence officers and my.question to both of you is.are you monitoring to make sure that.it's not only.foreign interference into our elections.but rather.that campaigns here in the u.s are not.trying to.ask or solicit.foreign support by foreign countries.of domestic campaigns question.uh well certainly we pursue.what i would call foreign influence.investigations both with respect to.election interference.in the sense that that was described in.the senate.uh in the report but also in terms.of.you know political corruption or illegal.campaign financing cases and things like.that some of those are criminal.investigations some of those are even.counterintelligence investigations.uh in certain scenarios i can imagine.so we certainly have a number of people.working on those.kinds of matters and that's a threat.that we take very seriously as part.of our overall effort to protect uh.not just our elections but our democracy.from foreign interference and influence.mr miller uh sir in accordance with.statute that's.beyond the remit of the national.counterterrorism center we we focus on.linkages of.international terrorist organizations.into domestically but.i have no role in that and i'm not.completely familiar with all the ins and.outs sir.i'm running it at times very quickly mr.miller then.under definition of terrorism.how does the concept of foreign.interference.of our elections foreign.manipulation of our democracy fit into.the concept of terrorism.uh sir we focus on uh.acts of violence committed against.american citizens.for uh to affect political change.from an international context only the.um.i think when you talk about influence.and whatnot that's different category.that doesn't fall within.within our uh remit sir the chairman.a lot of time i yield thank you very.much chair recognizes this gentleman.from new jersey.for five minutes mr van drew.thank you chairman thank you all for.being here today.um just very briefly i wanted to go back.to the antifa issue so if we have an.organization that is able to communicate.among different counties different.states different areas different cities.is able to organize when black lives.matter also organized at the same.time advertises for people.to help them and they will pay them.feeds them.as was said so eloquently before and.takes care of them.that to me would be more than just the.loosely knit.group of people i mean i guess we want.to define this a little bit that there.are.in my mind there is antifa there's a.grow.a group or individuals that control.antifa.uh and have some authority over it and.it is some.to some degree without question.organized would you agree with that.well i think what i would say is that we.have seen.folks who subscribe to or self-identify.with the antifa movement.who coalesce regionally uh.into what we refer to or think of as.more as small groups or nodes and.they're certainly organized at that.level.those individuals not to interrupt you.and but for example.and i understand that some people.self-identify as communists.yet there is a real communist.organization that is organized at the.same time.uh right i think i i'm not sure i'm.seeing.uh the rest so what i'm what i'm saying.to you maybe to clarify a little bit.more.is just because some people.self-identify.doesn't mean that there is more of an.organizational aspect to.this that there's something out there.that deserves.a very thorough investigation well.on the last part i would say we are very.thoroughly investigating and as i.mentioned we have a number of quite a.number.of properly predicated.investigations being conducted by our.joint terrorism task forces around the.country.into violent anarchist extremism.and any number of those involve people.who are tied either by their own.admission or otherwise to the antifa.movement and in some cases in some cases.we see those individuals.working together in a in a tactical.organized.way and so the investigation in those.instances might be more of a what we.might call an enterprise.investigation let me ask you this.question black lives matters.which are good words black lives do.matter black babies black parents.mothers and grandfathers and fathers and.human beings.and human souls so there's nothing wrong.with those words yet.it is emblematic of an organization that.is marxist.you just get your google out look it up.it's a marxist organization.and it is also an organization that.believes in some degree.an overthrow and a change of the country.and also.believes that um the nuclear family or.the traditional family that we know it.has a place no more.um is there any examples or is there any.real interaction with antifa and black.lives matters or they just happen to.always be at the same place at the same.time.uh i'm not sure there's anything i could.share on that certainly in this.uh in this kind of setting um i guess.what i would say to you.uh and again it's important to to.understand this for.not for you but for for people listening.right.we investigate the violence we're about.the violence.uh we're agnostic about the ideology we.don't investigate the ideology but when.the ideology inspires violence.we will investigate the violence.aggressively and when i make comments.about.movements and ideologies i want to be.very clear.that i'm in no way minimizing.the seriousness of the criminal conduct.or the violence that we're investigating.or in any way.downplaying the aggressiveness or.determination of the fbi.to investigate those leads fully and.pursue whatever charges are available.because the ideology of antifa is based.on changing and breaking down the united.states of america.so i i think that's something that we.have to all just admit you know kind of.not you all i'm not saying that to you.but in a cruder way strap them on and.say yeah this is what it is and this is.something we have to deal with.um one other quick question here too.we're seeing a lot of emerging threats.as a result of evolving communication.technology.i just want to ask you a few questions.what role have novel communication.technologies played in the recent.rise in domestic extremism.so and are you getting the tools you.need to really deal with this.right i very much appreciate the.question and i actually think it flows.naturally out of the first topic that.you raised because the.coordination the communication that.we're describing and some of the.frustrations that we have in really.drilling.into that is in part due to.terrorist actors whether domestic or.international for that matter.relying on uh increasingly.end-to-end encrypted messaging platforms.and we are getting to a point where.the technology companies are creating an.entire warrant-proof world.in which there are devices uh.and communications platforms that it.doesn't matter how awful the conduct.it doesn't matter how tragic the victim.it doesn't matter how bulletproof.legally our court order is to get into.it we're going to be blinded to it.um and that's a dangerous dangerous.world for us to be in.and it's directly relevant to some of.the activity that you're describing but.lots of other threats too.i'll take for example the sutherland.springs.shooting some of the members of the.committee and you may remember.which was one of the deadliest shootings.in america down in texas.you know the phone that that shooter had.we've been trying for now three years to.get into it.uh and this is not just an fbi problem.it's not just a federal law enforcement.problem.if you talk to state and local law.enforcement leaders around the country.like i do.every day you hear about this issue more.and more.all the time and so we have to figure.out a way to deal with that or we're.going to create a world where law.enforcement is blind in its ability to.protect.kids families and communities and one.gentleman jones time has expired.i'm sorry thank you very much for your.time chair recognizes general lady from.new mexico.ms tara small thank you director ray and.director miller for being here.transnational criminal organizations.present a continuing threat to.our homeland and our border communities.i've discussed efforts to curtail their.efforts with acting secretary wolf.and was hoping to continue that work.today however i look forward to working.with the department in the future to.strengthen our border security.as i've said many times to fully.understand the threats.and our defense capabilities at the.southwest border the department needs a.mile-by-mile analysis of that border.which is why i recently introduced.legislation directing the department to.conduct such an analysis and to develop.a plan to meet.gaps identified in that analysis i.understand cbp.conducts a border security improvement.plan which is a start albeit limited.and i request the department provide it.to the committee as soon as possible.moving on to cyber security.director wray according to u.s.intelligence officials chinese and.russian hackers are using cyber tools to.steal.american biomedical research used for.the development of a covid19 vaccine.officials have also expressed concern.about the possibility of chinese and.russian hackers.damaging american efforts to develop a.vaccine.what is the department doing to combat.foreign hackers and to work with.pharmaceutical and.academic institutions to strengthen.their cyber defense capabilities.uh so congresswoman you're you're.correct um that we are.seeing efforts um by our our foreign.adversaries to engage in.cyber targeting of.covid vaccine research testing.technology treatment technology and.efforts to disrupt our national response.to the pandemic.we've recently publicly attributed some.of that conduct to.china's most prolific cyber actors i.know that.our uk counterparts.have publicly attributed some activity.there on the same kind of front to.russian actors as well.we're we've tried to be very.forward-leaning in our engagement and.outreach.to companies manufacturers universities.uh research centers etc when we see uh.targeting uh by these adversaries cyber.targeting uh so that they can take.appropriate steps.uh from a cyber security perspective to.harden.uh their systems uh and and prevent.um uh exfiltration of the information.uh and so far i think we've been pretty.successful in getting there before.valuable information has been lost um.but uh it's a no make no mistake this is.a very very real cyber threat that we're.contending with uh daily.thank you director ray uh congressman.higgins and you also discussed russian.disinformation.related to elections another way that.russia is in particular is seeking to.undermine.americans recovery is with covid19 and.the public health crisis.through spreading that same.disinformation on the virus and on.future vaccines to create distrust.within the public.are there any distinct challenges in.disrupting russia's disinformation.specifically on camp on covet 19 and.vaccination efforts.uh well well certainly misinformation we.share your concerns about misinformation.about about covid whether it's.misinformation about.the infectiousness of the disease itself.or misinformation about.treatments and cures vaccines.and uh in some instances we're able to.and we have.pursued cases um for.uh various scams and schemes you know.essentially fraud people.pitching fraudulent tests and cures and.people claiming to have the vaccine you.know things like that.so when there's sort of fraud engaged.we're able to use.law enforcement tools to go after it but.as i said in the election context and.you're right to kind of draw the analogy.we're not the truth police and.especially on something like.uh medical issues we defer to cdc and.the medical professionals to correct.misinformation uh there but it's.it's important that people get their.information.in this context from the medical.professionals and not from things like.social media.just reclaiming my time briefly just to.stay on russia and making sure that.russia is not spreading disinformation.on this.you mentioned that a key strategy of.working to disrupt russian voices of.disinformation.was was stopping them before they gained.credibility.um and and so i wanted to see if in the.covid 19 space.there's an extra challenge there if for.example russian disinformation is.gaining credibility.for example through anti-vaxxers.well certainly as we as we discussed and.as you mentioned.uh the essence of disinformation the.only way it works is to do it through.voices that are viewed as credible.so if there were and i'm not sure that i.can think of a specific example off top.of my head but if there were a situation.where.a credible voice that people really paid.attention to.as a medical expert was was pushing out.under the guise of being a medical.expert.flawed badly flawed and dangerous.information then that would be a source.of particular concern.thank you my time is expired thank you.very much chair recognizers.gentlemen from mississippi mr guests for.five minutes.thank you mr chairman director ray i.want to direct these questions to you.uh we're here today talking about.threats to the homeland and i.specifically.want to discuss recent attacks on our.law enforcement officials.we saw just this past weekend in.california.the headlines from fox red compton.ambush leaves two.los angeles county sheriff's deputies.fighting for their lives.the story goes on to say a manhunt is.underway in california early sunday.after two los angeles county sheriff's.deputies were shot in their patrol car.by a suspect.who opened fire without warning or.provocation the deputies a 24 year old.man and 31 year old woman were both in.critical condition.at the time of this article and fighting.for their lives as they underwent.surgery.following the attack a handful of.anti-police protesters show up the.hospital where the deputies were being.treated.a local faith leader who came to the.hospital to pray for the deputies told.reporter that some of the protesters had.been shouting slogans like.death to the police protesters were.blocking the entrance to the hospital.emergency room and yelling.we hope they die in june.[Music].of 2020 the ap reported california.deputies shot an.ambush attack at police station a.california deputy was shot in the head.but survived and ambushed by a gunman.intent on harming or killing the police.the shooter opened fire around 3 40.a.m on the back side of the police.station.abc news july 22nd of this year.police officers killed surged 28 percent.this year and some point to civil unrest.and those looking to exploit it.cnn february 10 2020.attacks on police are calls for alarm.the article goes to say an armed.assailant approached a marked.police van in the bronx on saturday.evening and opens fire on two.on duty police officers the suspect who.remained at large until the firing.following morning.then on sunday police video captures a.man later identified as the same suspect.strolling into nypd's 41st.precinct before opening fire on police.wounding a lieutenant fox news.june of this year police under siege.they go through incident after incident.of attack on police.buffalo new york two law enforcement.officers are struck by a vehicle monday.and another was run over during a.demonstration in front of the buffalo.police department's e-district.the trooper who was run over suffered a.shattered pelvis and broken leg.cincinnati ohio an officer was saved by.a ballistic helmet when a bullet struck.the protective covering.chicago police reports monday that 132.of his officers had been injured during.violent rides.davenport iowa an undercover police.officer in an unmarked vehicle was.struck.twice by gunfire las vegas a las vegas.police officer was on life support after.being shot in the head monday during a.protest.minnesota shots were fired at law.enforcement officers near a minnesota.police station last week.on may 28 another which means a second.police.precinct in the city was set ablaze as.violent protests surged.new york a new york police officer was.seen being struck by a vehicle in what.appeared to be a deliberate hit and run.oakland california several shots were.fired at oakland police headquarters.a federal law enforcement officer was.also shot and killed friday night.we see story after story after story of.violence against our first responders.the very men and women.who put their safety in jeopardy to.protect us.are under attack and so director i ask.you at this time what intelligence what.information can you share about us.about info about these attacks and also.what can we do as congress to better.protect our first responders.well uh first let me say um.although i'm familiar with every one of.those instances you described.uh just hearing you go through them.again is just yet another reminder to me.uh about how tragic this is and i think.it's important.for americans to take a deep breath for.a second and think about what it means.for somebody to put his or her life on.the line for a complete stranger.and then after they've paused and.thought about that for a second to think.about what it means to get up.every morning and do that day after day.after day after day.and as i said in response to i think one.of the earlier questions.and you've touched on through your.comments.the number of officers feloniously.killed in the line of duty this year.is up significantly from last year.and that's not even counting all the.officers who are lost to covid.because they have to be out on the.streets doing their jobs and they can't.stay home that's not counting all the.officers who.miraculously survived an attack but.whose lives are forever altered.that's not counting the officers who.died in things like vehicle incidents.as they're racing to the crime scene.and as i mentioned i think to.congressman bishop.one of the things i started doing when i.started in this job i decided i was.going to call.every time an officer is shot and killed.through or killed through adversarial.action in this country i was going to.call myself.the chief or the sheriff and express my.condolences on behalf of the fbi and.each time i do it i ask my staff to give.me.a picture a photograph of the officer.any description of you know their family.so i know how many kids they had how old.their kids were.i had a guy recently who was engaged to.be married.had six months out of his wedding day.who was killed.and i'll never forget for example.having to call in your home state to.brookhaven.mississippi where they lost two officers.in a single incident in a department of.you know i want to say you know less.than 30 people.i mean think about what that means to a.department like that where every single.person knew those two officers.um so there i understand people in this.country are angry and upset.and hurt and i get that and there's.reasons to be angry and upset and hurt.no means mean to minimize their concern.and hurt.but the law enforcement families hurt.too.and these people who put on the uniform.and go out to protect all of us and our.families every day.deserve some level of appreciation and i.appreciate your comments.thank you mr moon i yield back uh thank.you very much.uh director ray for the record i think.there's no.issue around support for law enforcement.on this committee.it's consistently been there it's only.when the rules get.changed is there a concern and uh.i might ask mr rose to talk a little bit.about the rules.uh after 9 11 congress did.quite a bit of job towards supporting.the men and women.and their families who lost their lives.and all of a sudden.in the middle of this new york gets.penalized.in terms of the resources that congress.had already approved so.it's those kind of things with that i.yield.to the gentleman from new york.uh chairman thank you directorate.director.miller first of all we have we do not.have a domestic terrorist.destination in the united states of.america we have a foreign terrorist.organization designation.especially designated terrorist group.designation that's correct.okay asides from a domestic terrorist.designation.which is in our legislative purview.something i support something that some.republicans do not support.some democrats do not support do you.need any other further resources.to go after criminal organizations in.the united states of america.that are organizing to inflict violence.on american citizens.law enforcement especially.well i think i would put resources in.sort of two categories.one is funding right for.for data analytics which i can explain.why that's relevant.to boots on the ground you know et.cetera.so there's that piece of it and then i.would say there are.our tools we always want more tools and.i touched on one of the concerns.earlier which is this.end-to-end encryption issue and when.especially when you talk about.organizations and people communicating.with each other.if we move into a world in which bad.guys have a choice between putting all.of their information.and their communications uh in.platforms or devices that are utterly.that are warrant proof that are utterly.beyond reach of law.no matter how rock solid the legal case.is.i don't think that's a judgment that.those companies should be making on.behalf of the american people i think.that's something that.say congress i most certainly agree can.you please commit to getting us.in a memo form or a list form the tools.you think you need.to keep us safe and our law enforcement.officials safe.and our citizens safe from violent.criminal organizations in the united.states of america.we'd be happy to follow up to you thank.you so then let's see that we can unite.around something here rather than what.it appears that we are doing i want to.move on to.the threat of white supremacists.globally domestically.director miller um looking at the.existing list of stdgs and ftos.put that list aside which organizations.are you concerned with.particularly in the white supremacist.organization front.uh as you noted uh thank you it's nice.to have an army veteran here by the way.uh yeah russian imperial movement as you.know we designated.which was uh i thought a real strong.statement.in a good way uh we see the other groups.uh you see what's going on in germany.right now which groups.oh uh geez well you know they changed.their name so fast these days to keep.ahead of us.right so things like sonnen krieg yeah.combat 18.sure azov now if you look at any of.those global groups.do you see any connection between those.groups in germany central europe or.otherwise.any connections between those groups and.domestic organizations.nothing monolithic or see.we are not picking up anything of a.a routine uh systemic.connection i think what you'll see is.more ad hoc.because they're all sitting online.together chatting like.uh but have not picked up anything.deliberate but you are seeing.communications between them you're.seeing interactions.you're seeing physical movement of.people at all other than.uh as you know with russian imperial.movement there have been westerners that.have gone out to some of their.uh training to crimea as well yeah to.fight in crimea.do we know who all those individuals are.who have gone to.partner with the russian imperial.movement or azav and come back here.i can't say that we know all of them do.you think that's a problem.is it probable that we know no is that a.problem is it.uh i would you say that we know everyone.no or have a do would you say that we.have a system in place for those who.have gone to.try to work with isis or al qaeda uh.like director ray noted uh with.communications technology the way it is.right now i would like to say we know.but i cannot say definitively that we.know everyone who has.gone overseas to support a foreign.terrorist organization would you support.this administration looking at expanding.the list of foreign terrorist.organization and stg.organizations so as to assist us in.fighting this new terrorist threat.i think we have an extraordinarily.robust and.solid system for doing that and we look.at that regularly to see if we're.aligned correctly if there are any other.organizations that have a.should be designated to include those.organizations that you just referred to.earlier that are not presently on the.list.correct okay thank you.chair recognized gentleman from.california mr garcia for five minutes.thank you mr chairman and uh thank you.to ranking member rogers for the warm.welcome really appreciate it as.a student of uh national security is.a former frontline operator and a.steward of.developing national security.technologies and doctrine.it really is an honor to be here.especially during this era of our.nation's history.director ray director miller thank you.both for being here today.taking the time to help educate us.uh and keep us keep us aligned and keep.both sides of the aisle informed really.appreciate it.director ray i think your comments the.the single biggest threat to our.nation's security right now is our.our politicians and government leaders.especially at the state and local levels.of city levels.to not get their collective programs.together and support law enforcement.as my colleague from mississippi mr.guest mentioned it is getting ugly out.there it's getting uglier.out there and as leaders of government.if we don't back law enforcement and if.we don't make it crystal clear and.unambiguously.that we support those who protect us as.a nation not just through policy but.also through funding.then this will get worse so i really.appreciate your comments and commitment.to that i.also appreciate your condemnation of.previous.abuses of power by by your organization.uh and and look forward to uh.fixing those uh those those those sins.of the past so.appreciate you both being here i'd like.to pivot to a slightly different.conversation and topic if we can in my.district i come from.southern california we were.unfortunately the site of a.of a mass casualty at a local high.school where we lost two of our beloved.teens.less than a year ago uh where i come.from i was a former naval aviator and.when we ever.whenever there was a mishap whether.whenever there was a loss of life.we would convene what was called a.safety investigation board or review.this team would go away for six months.nine months sometimes.they'd look at every element that led to.the mishap what the pilot ate.what what medications he was on what his.family life.was like what his emotional state was.what his mental health state was.and they'd come back to the entire fleet.and debrief us on the incident.all the lessons learned what went wrong.what went right in some cases.what how could we have avoided that.situation.in our country we don't seem to have.anything like that for what i would call.mass casualty incidents.we have these these fatalities at high.schools we have.mass casualties in different venues.different types of weapons.we hear about it in the news it makes.frontline stories for a couple of weeks.and then it goes away and besides the.close friends and families and the.communities that are impacted we.sometimes don't remember.the specifics and the details i guess my.question is why don't we have that.why don't we have sort of a mass.casualties lessons learned report that.becomes.public domain we can redact things to.to protect anonymity and protect.personal private information.but within that we can get lessons.learned about what this kid was.was going through what his parents saw.uh what telltales or.or or issues were prevalent and and i.bet you we do find common denominators.in some of these cases.something that as parents we can read.something as teachers we can read.classmates can have access to it and we.can all as a nation really understand.what led to some of these incidents.why don't we have that what do we need.to do in order to get to that.and have it available to all 330 million.well congressman i appreciate the.question um i think.we do have some of that actually um we.at the fbi have done uh a number of.studies.of not individual self-contained.uh mass casualty attacks but uh we've.looked at.at the trend of them and looked at them.at the collection the universe of them.over a longer period of time and have.generated some.some reports about uh indicators.that might have uh tipped people off if.they had known what to look for.uh and so we've we've tried to get some.of that information out a number of the.field offices as i mentioned i've.visited all 56 of our field offices met.with partners law enforcement community.in each place.and a number of offices are doing fbi.offices are doing.outreach efforts with schools and.neighborhoods.in their aor their area of.responsibility.to kind of better educate people as to.what to look for because one of the.things that we have learned.and it frankly the same thing applies on.a lot of the terrorism.incidents is that if you look back.there's almost.always someone a classmate.a family member a neighbor a co-worker.who saw at least with the benefit of.hindsight.saw a change in behavior a.transformation.and you hear us say all the time should.see something say something.and most of us when we hear that we.picture you know the unattended backpack.in the bus station and of course we want.people if they see something to say.something there but we also need people.if they see something about somebody to.say something.and so the more we can educate people as.to.behavioral patterns to be concerned.about.a lot of this is very individualized.because people are individualized and so.it's the people who know the baseline of.behavior of the person to know wait a.minute.this has changed now and i need to this.is something i should be concerned about.i should go to the school security.officer i should contact law enforcement.et cetera.so that's part of it there's also.lessons learned.in terms of hardening our schools and.there's been a lot of work done.with our state and local partners on.that so there's a kind of an.infrastructure piece of it.so there's a lot of work to be done in.this space and it's going to take a.kind of a collaborative law enforcement.education community partnership to do it.yeah and i'm out of time and but i'll.just say that i think we need a.concerted effort to try to make some of.those documents and lessons learned.truly accessible to every every american.out there.so that we're we're actually benefiting.from foresight and not just.miserating on hindsight you know that i.think that's the path forward so again.gentlemen thank you for your time.chair i recognize the young lady from.michigan ms slatkin.thank you mr chairman um thank you to.our witnesses for being here i really.appreciate it and.i know there's been back and forth on.whether whether.um acting secretary wolf should have.been here whatever the reason.um given that this is a worldwide.threats hearing the secretary should.have come here.um and this idea that someone under.senate confirmation can appear.is actually factually incorrect i know.that since i was.under senate confirmation when i was.called to testify many times.um let me ask about i think.mr ray you've been really helpful and.just being straight.and clear about kind of the the threats.that are going on out there.um can you talk about level of effort.on um extremist violence domestic.extremist violence you've.talked about in this hearing how you're.seeing.uh 2019 i think you said was one of the.greatest levels of domestic violence.we've seen.in the country for some time since.oklahoma city.can you tell me how many cases you have.open.and if you don't know the exact number.just approximately.you have open on groups that are white.supremacists.versus groups that are coming from the.left.just level of effort of that the fbi is.employing right now.well uh trying to think what i.what i can say certainly off the top of.my head uh on numbers i mean i will say.that.uh let me start with this as a general.rule we have.each year lately we've been having.roughly a thousand.domestic terrorism investigations a year.uh it's higher than that this year yeah.uh.you know a good bit north of a thousand.this year.i know that we've had about 120 arrests.for domestic terrorism this year now.that number of investigations the.thousand plus.and the 120 arrests that's domestic.terrorism.across the board right everything from.racially motivated violent extremists to.violent anarchists extremists militia.types sovereign citizens.you name it um.of the domestic terrorism threats we.last year elevated racially motivated.violent extremism.to be a national threat priority.commensurate with.homegrown violent extremists that's the.jihadist inspired people here and with.isis.so let me because that's important right.that you're what you're saying is.the level of threat from domestic.terrorists across the board.regardless of ideology is at the same.level.as homegrown terrorists that have.connections to a foreign terrorist.organization.is that well i hear you correctly.treating it as a commensurate priority.in terms of.warranting our intention and resources.yeah and but i mean i'm assuming you're.you're giving it that attention because.it deserves that attention because the.threat has elevated.from a time when i mean i'm a former cia.officer we were doing a lot of foreign.terrorism nexus stuff.you know 2005 six seven through the last.you know ten years.so it's interesting i think that.domestic terrorism has elevated in the.fbi's eyes i'm just.yes um and and i think the thing that.we're all struggling with is.you know there are these homegrown.terrorists of every flavor and type.but just in the number of either cases.or arrests.how many of them are white supremacists.what is the if not the exact number.is it the same as other types of.domestic terrorism.is it higher just give us a level of of.uh.approximate numbers well what i can tell.you is that within.um within the domestic terrorism bucket.category as a whole racially motivated.violent extremism.is i think the biggest bucket within.that larger group.and within the racially motivated.violent extremist bucket.people ascribing to some kind of white.supremacist type.ideology is is certainly the the biggest.chunk.of that okay i don't have any numbers.for you that's very helpful.so the white supremacists are the.largest chunk of the racially motivated.yes domestic terrorist but let me also.say that and i will also add to that.that.racially motivated violent extremists.over recent years.have been responsible for the most.lethal activity in the u.s.um now this year uh the.lethal attacks domestic terrorism lethal.attacks we have have.i think all fit in the category of.anti-government anti-authority.uh which covers everything from.anarchist violent extremists to.militia types we don't really think in.terms of left right.we have yep i understand that's not the.way we look at the world.i understand and then just my last.seconds i'll be submitting some.questions for the record for mr wolfe.commensurate with the the questions that.i submitted to.to chairman milly on the role of the.department of homeland security.in and around our elections and the.peaceful transition of power but thanks.very much mr chairman.thank you very much uh in line with ms.slotkin's question.mr ray um you know.congress passed a law uh the data act.uh it's referred to as the domestic and.international.terrorism act that requires.the production of a report identifying.everything.that ms slotkin talked about are you.familiar with that.i am familiar with it uh yes mr chairman.and you know we.three months late on the production of.that report.yeah and so uh i'm certainly aware.of the report and the requirement uh.i will say that um and i'm aware that.it's delayed.and behind schedule i know that the.first.report of the ones that are called for.as my understanding it's complete.and that it's in the interagency.approval process so it should be.forthcoming soon.unfortunately with kovitt of course when.the ndaa was.passed no one anticipated the impact of.coed and the people that.and the impacts that would have on our.workforce so that's been a big part of.the delay.but i understand the importance of it.and i know we've been engaging with.with you and your staff in terms of.providing briefings and so forth as well.and we'll get it to you just as fast as.we can yeah i think it's important that.all members of congress have access.uh just to the data and if there's some.follow-ups from it.it's fine but you know congress has.spoken and.and i i hope you follow gentlemen.recognizes.the uh uh chair recognized gentleman.from new york mr catco.for five minutes thank you mr chairman.and uh thank you both for being here.today i appreciate it very much.uh spent a lot of my waking hours down.here in washington on anti-terrorism.matters and election security and cyber.security so.i could talk to all of you for hours but.i do want to pause for a second uh.director ray to just commend the work of.the fbi agents on a regular basis you.don't hear that enough and you should.for 20 years before he came to congress.i was a federal organized crime.prosecutor and.some of the best cases i ever did had.heavy involvement by the fbi.including police corruption political.corruption.gang cases and homicides and so i i just.want to commend.the staff the the the line agents day in.and day out who do all the great work.and uh i please condemn my can convey my.thank you to them.um there's plenty of ways i can go here.but one thing that's been.gnawing at me and i just want to touch.on real quick if i can for both of you.because i have another question and that.is when the new york city police.department was cut by one-sixth or.a billion dollars of their budget and.knowing that new york city is the.primary target.in the world for terrorists to to attack.i'm just curious if either one of you.have had any sort of information or.concerns that have risen.because of the lack of funding that they.now have let me start with.director ray uh well.uh first let me say i appreciate uh your.kind words about the hard-working men.and women of the fbi.uh we and our folks had a tough job.before this year.uh and certainly covet didn't make it.any easier.and i'm really proud of the hard work.that's gone on.in terms of keeping our people and their.families safe but not.letting up on the mission and the.results are pretty extraordinary frankly.as far as new york as somebody who grew.up in new york city and still.has uh you know family there i care.deeply about the safety of.that city in a very personal way.and and certainly i don't think it's.appropriate for the fbi director to wade.into sort of.political debates local or otherwise but.i think our police officers including.the nydpd police officers.are extraordinary public servants.who have a very very very very tough job.to have to.to undertake and.i think people really want to think.carefully about the ramifications.of making that job harder okay thank you.mr miller thank you congressman.and obviously last friday as we.recognized the 19th anniversary.our hearts went out to uh new york city.and we.were disappointed we weren't able to go.up but of course with covet 19 and.whatnot we uh we weren't able to do that.i'm hopeful that next year at the 20th.anniversary.will be in an entirely different place.in this global war against terrorism and.we'll have some good news on.al qaeda's demise i just wanted to.highlight.we have the most unbelievable.partnership with the new york.nypd we have an analyst she's magical.uh embedded into the national council.terrorism center.and we talk to uh nypd probably three or.four times a day.uh i i'm not familiar with a a.in total honesty i'm not familiar with.the cuts uh look into that.absolutely and if there's anything we.can do to support obviously we will.because uh.between the joint terrorism task force.and the nypd they're.just remarkable partners and we want to.help them in any way we can.thank you very much and director ray i.uh i spend a lot of time on election.security it's one of my greatest.concerns and.uh everything from uh making sure that.the.the the machines don't get hacked into.and i'm relatively confident on that.to the high concern i have about the.possible obstruction.in the process of the election by.foreign foreign actors such as russia.and iran and china.and i'm also concerned about like in new.york state for example there's a delay.of eight days before they start counting.absentee ballots after the election.which uh.delays the results which delays.individuals belief in the results and.i'm concerned about.that but if i could just ask you this.question i know you've testified on a.lot of different aspects.what's your biggest concern right now.about election security going forward.for this fall.you know obviously there's a lot of.aspects of it that we're concerned about.and you touched on some of them.um but i think in many ways what.concerns me the most.is the steady drumbeat of misinformation.and and sort of uh amplification of.smaller cyber intrusions that contribute.over time.i worry that they will contribute over.time to a lack of confidence.of american uh voters and citizens.uh in the um the validity of their vote.i think that would be a perception not a.reality i think americans.can and should have confidence on our.election system and certainly.in our democracy but i worry that people.will.will take on a feeling of futility.because of all of the noise and.confusion that's generated.and that's a very hard problem to combat.thank you very much thank you chair.recognizers.gentleman from missouri miss clever.must clearly need to unmute yourself.[Applause].we.well we will.[Music].we'll go to mr greene.we'll go to mr green for five years mr.chairman.uh can you hear me yes we have you.oh thank you mr chairman i thank the.witnesses for appearing.and um i'm especially interested in a.topic related to.uh violent activity i have in my hand.mr chairman a story from the washington.post.dated september 14 2020.and it is styled trump health appointee.michael caputo.warns of armed insurrection after.election.the relevant portion of the story that.is quoted reads.and when donald trump refuses to stand.down at the inauguration.the shooting will begin he warned in.video.the drills that you have seen are.nothing.if you carry guns by ammunition ladies.and gentlemen.because it's going to be hard to get.mr director of the fbi you pride.yourself on your independence do you not.i'm sorry uh congressman had a little.bit of a hard time hearing the very end.of your.i said you pride yourself on your.independence do you not i do.pride myself on my independence you.you will investigate anybody or any.opportunity to prevent a crime is this.correct.we will follow the facts and the law and.nothing else and we will aggressively.pursue.any criminal activity can you explain to.me kindly sir.why you have not pursued the facts and.the law.as it relates to mr caputo and these.statements.he appears to be warning us of some sort.of impending crisis.related to violence.well i uh i don't want to sort of try to.engage on whether or not there's any.particular investigative activity going.on or uh that might be somehow related.to all that.what i would say uh is that we don't.investigate rhetoric.um and we will investigate when we have.proper predication.uh of a federal criminal.be violation that we will you can be.assured that we if.we have a situation where we have the.facts.and the law and the evidence uh that we.will pursue it without regard to.any other consideration permit me to ask.this.um mr caputo is a part of.was a part of the administration he.appears to be on some sort of leave.right now.he has indicated that there is going to.be violence.it would seem to me that at least an.interview would be.in order why have you not interviewed.him.uh well congressman i'm not particularly.familiar with.the public comments that you're.referring to.but as i've said if we uh see credible.evidence.uh of violent criminal activity uh that.is.uh a federal crime uh we will pursue.that activity mr chairman may i uh.kindly insert the.washington post article in the record.without objection.without objection thank you.uh back to uh you again mr.director of the fbi.my hope is that my calling this to your.attention today.will give you sufficient reason you've.got a member of the united states.congress.who is bringing to you intelligence that.has been reported publicly.that a member of the administration has.made comments.that there will be violence.if um there is a refusal to stand down.by a person who is associated with the.presidency.my hope is that this this is sufficient.for you to at least interview someone.um let me move to the uh the director.of national counterterrorism.would this intelligence not seem to.indicate that there may be some sort of.activity that would fall under your.umbrella if this is credible information.mr director.miller uh sir thanks for the question.my focus in remit is uh.connections between international.terrorist organizations and any uh.u.s domestic.violent extremists or homegrown violent.extremists.i have to ask now rhetorically what what.does it take.to investigate someone who's associated.with this administration who makes these.kinds of comments.this seems to be fairly serious to me.i likely will be at the inauguration.and we have a person who's associated.with the administration who's indicating.that bullets.are going to um to fly.and uh the shooting will begin.these are his words uh it would seem to.me that this should be sufficient.so i'm going to ask uh as a member of.congress that the fbi performed his duty.as an independent agent.fearing none having favor for none.uh investigate this and please report to.me if you would if the committee does.not desire to know would you.kindly report to me what your findings.are to the extent that you can.yield back mr chair thank you very much.chair recognizes mr cleaver for five.minutes.thank you mr chairman i apologize for.the.my technological failure earlier let me.also first of all say.i would like to thank the units chairman.for.your leadership i look at leadership as.uh.being measured by uh how how they.function during a crisis.and we're in a crisis uh and i think you.you uh handle it magnificently.uh you know uh directly.uh let me just say things that already.know polarization.is rise frighteningly uh and.um at least that's analyzing.and i think it's it's it's helping to.create a.new and growing uh and dangerous.tribalism.uh in our country now and uh becoming a.nation.uh where people want to live.in neighborhoods that are simple where.people have similar uh.ideologies uh and uh.we we uh loathe.[Music].we condemn lying in a little small.circle in which we might function.uh but we accept it.praise it when it's done to achieve some.political.now let me just say i i i i have to say.uh i appreciate you uh and the way.you've handled the department.i can tell you i trembled at night.because.we have seen many of our institutions.damaged uh over a few years uh.and people in position significance have.allowed those organizations to bend to.the will of politicians.and i don't i have not what the fb.i think is straight i tried to do it.today as well uh this is what i wanted.to talk about.when the hearing started i like for you.to.address uh if you can uh.you know where the e.i stands in terms.of morale and whether the fbi.is now in a situation where.uh we we depend on it.uh to consider its uh central.objectivity.uh and i also end by just.uh saying that uh your undisturbed.presentation today uh is something that.i want to express appreciation for but.where is the fbi right now in terms of.the guys who are out.on the streets doing all the work we.need to be done protect.the united states well congressman i i.want to tell you very much appreciate.your kind words to to our folks uh and.the question.um i will say that i could not be more.proud of our people.and i'll you know whenever you ask.questions about something like morale.it's a hard thing sometimes to measure.but i'll give you a few.pieces of information that i think are.extremely good news.one is that last year.uh and this has been a trend over the.few years of of my tenure as fbi.director.our our attrition rate is down to.0.45 or 6 percent so.well less than one percent and they're.very few organizations in this country.that have.an attrition rate that low but an even.better piece of news.uh is on the recruiting side last year.we had triple triple the number of.people.in this country applying these are.qualified applicants to be special.agents of the fbi the.prior year's the highest number in about.a decade and this year we're on track to.be even higher.and so i think that's very positive.signal about.the brand of the fbi and the currency of.the fbi.out all across the country and among the.public.you know just in the middle of covid our.folks have.uh you know opened something like 750.coveted fraud investigations.uh 600 plus violent gang members.arrested just in the course of a single.month.i mentioned the terrorist attacks we've.thwarted uh i think in fiscal year 20 we.recovered something like.500 plus kids who were victims of human.trafficking i could go on and on and on.but they're doing all that despite.the challenges of the current.environment.and i'm i say i'm honored but really i'm.humbled.uh to be working with them thank you.i would also it would have been great if.uh.secretary wolf had been here um i think.unfortunately tragically.and painfully uh his absence does.continue to do damage to the democracy.i'd like to yield back to you at this.time mr chairman.thank you very much chair recognizes.young lady from illinois.miss underwood thank you mr chairman.your agencies have identified domestic.violent extremism particularly white.supremacy.as a leading threat to our homeland last.month a teenager from my district in.antioch illinois went to kenosha.wisconsin.where he allegedly killed two people.amid the protests there we have seen too.many examples of this kind of deadly.violence being fueled by online.extremism.and now we know that combating domestic.extremism requires a thoughtful approach.in order to safeguard american civil.liberties.director ray in explaining the fbi's.approach to domestic extremism you said.quote.the fbi is only concerned when responses.cross from ideas.and constitutionally protected protests.to violence.in the days before the shootings in.kenosha the atlantic council's digital.forensic research lab.found that so-called militias were.publicly organizing.on social media for armed individuals to.travel to kenosha.a so-called militia leader wrote law.enforcement is outnumbered.take up arms and defend our city tonight.from the evil thugs.another user wrote quote i'm on the way.with 75 people from green bay.we have lots of guns lots of pipe bombs.going to cleanse the streets of rioters.a third user wrote attention all.non-whites.and degenerates of kenosha you have.until sundown.to pack up your belongings and leave the.area.after that anything that happens to you.or your children will be your fault.and a fourth quote shoot to kill post.director ray are you ideas or are they.threats of violence.i'm sorry congressman the very the very.last part the question itself i couldn't.quite hear.i'm not sure if it's the audio or are.these ideas.or threats of violence well.without reference to any specific case.uh.certainly uh language about violence.uh can in certain instances be part of.the offense and can be threats i mean we.pursue.threats to commit violence not just the.actual commission of violence.to your knowledge did facebook at any.point provide.any of these kenosha specific threats to.federal law enforcement.i i can't uh sitting here right now.speak to any specific.tips or threats i will say that we get.lots of.leads and tips from facebook.and and work closely with them on a lot.of um.a lot of terrorism issues in light of.the violence that occurred at similar.events this year i think we can all.agree that statements like these are.concerning.and that's why it's so important to.share this information as soon as.possible with local officials like those.in kenosha.so they can make effective plans to keep.their communities safe.and i want to be clear i'm speaking here.about statements.publicly posted online often under users.real names.not about private communications.director ray what steps if any did the.fbi.take to alert state and local officials.in wisconsin about these specific.threats of violent activity in their.area.uh well the congresswoman there's a few.things that i would say on this topic.um first just to be clear you know we.don't have people we.fbi don't have the the resources or the.authority to just sit on social media.and and troll for.i know you're not i know you're not.suggesting that but what i'm just making.sure that the people out there.understand sir.i'm sorry we have limited time if you.can answer the question.but but but so what we do do we have uh.in addition to the relationships we have.with social media companies we have.something.called ntoc which is our national threat.operations center.uh that has both call-in lines.you know 1-800 call fbi and then an.email version of it and we get that.excuse me sir i asked if you took steps.to alert the local officials.yes and so what i'm getting to is that.the national threat operations center.when it.gets threats and tips of the sort that.you're describing.we have a mechanism we have a mechanism.by which we feed that information.as quickly as possible to state and.local law enforcement so they can take.appropriate action we have a system.called.guardians for claiming my time the.director is not answering specifically.whether or not.this fbi alerted state and local.officials in wisconsin tonight like that.noted for the record.the day after the kenosha shootings i.heard from a mother in the alleged.shooter's hometown in my district who.wrote.that there's a malicious cell in antioch.that's becoming more and more emboldened.to take the llama into their own hands.and i'm becoming fearful to send my.children to the same schools.as white supremacist militia members.domestic extremism and white supremacy.pose.critical threats to our homeland to stop.deadly extremist violence.federal law enforcement and their.partners must seize on opportunities to.intervene.before the violence begins and i'm.looking forward to working together with.you.director ray on improving our ability to.prevent violent threats from becoming.violent actions.thank you to our witnesses for being.here i'm so disappointed.that not all of our fulfilled their duty.to help this committee and the american.people.understand the threats to our national.security and ielts.thank you very much general lady yields.back.chair recognized young lady from new.york ms clark.for five minutes.thank you mr chairman i thank our.ranking member rogers as our nation.faces.immeasurable threats from the rise of.white supremacist terrorist groups to.the risk of cyber attacks.crippling our critical infrastructure.this committee.has an obligation to conduct oversight.and ensure that the executive branch is.doing its job.but congress can only fulfill our.constitutional role.if the executive branch follows the law.and appears before us.when subpoenaed i'd like to thank.director ray and director miller for.appearing before us today.i'd also like to condemn in the.strongest possible terms.mr wolf's refusal to appear before us.and comply.with a lawfully issued subpoena his.refusal to testify.is yet another example of the.lawlessness.that has infected the department of.homeland security.mr wolf may not want to answer for his.department's actions.from removing the uteruses of ice.detainees.to manipulating intelligence to minimize.russian meddling in our election but.when a congressional.committee subpoenas you the law says.you must show up and with that i turn to.my questions.my first question is actually for.uh you director ray uh and it's a bit.uh parochial it has to do with my.district.uh yesterday i joined a letter to uh.commissioner shea.of the new york city police department.signed by.two new york state legislators two.members of congress.and members of the new york city council.regardless.regarding excuse me alleged cooperation.between the fbi.and the nypd in a community in my.district.specifically it alleged that in light of.new york's new.state level bail laws investigations.that would have previously.been handled by local officials the nypd.are now being turned into federal cases.are you aware of any arrangement of this.nature between the bureau.and the nypd.i'm not familiar with the specific issue.that you're referring.to at least in new york i will say that.sir.will you look into it and get back to me.on this.uh i'd be happy to take a look you said.there was a letter uh that you'd written.uh or well this was this was actually.sent to our local police commissioner.but the the there was a public.uh statement made by one of our police.officials.that they are working with the fbi and.so i'd like to get some clarity.around what this arrangement is if it.exists at all.okay well i i'll have my staff follow up.with your staff and to get a little more.information about and see if there's.information that we can provide that.would be helpful to you.wonderful i appreciate that i'd like to.ask a question about the recent.resurgence of white supremacists.against african americans jewish.americans latinos.and so many others politico recently.obtained.a draft dhs 2020 homeland threat.assessment which described white.supremacists.as the deadliest domestic terror threat.currently facing the nation.but subsequent drafts diminished.this warning what is your assessment.of the deadliest domestic terrorist.threat currently facing the.nation and have you ever faced political.pressure or.been uh received or have received a.request from.any other element of the us government.to alter the assessment.well first let me say uh my commitment.to.calling it straight extends not just to.our investigations but to our.intelligence assessments.uh that's been my commitment since day.one and it continues.and will continue as long as i'm sitting.in this role.and we have continued to take that.approach to all of our intelligence.assessments on my watch.as far as the uh the issue about.danger and domestic terrorism threats.what i would say is that we assess.that uh the most dangerous threat.to the homeland encompasses.uh lone actors radicalized often online.with easily accessible weapons against.soft targets that includes.homegrown violent extremists that are.jihadist inspired as well as domestic.violence extremists.of all sorts now within the domestic.violent extremists.we have assessed that racially motivated.racially and ethnically motivated.violent extremists.um has been responsible for the most.lethal activity over the last several.years.and that's why we elevated specifically.about white supremacists.are they included in that threat.assessment.yes so within within the racially.emotive racially and ethnically.motivated violent extremists.uh the i would say the biggest chunk of.those i can't give you a percentage but.the biggest chunk of that.are individuals who are motivated by.some form of white supreme.supremacist uh ideology and that's the.that group the racially motivated.violent extremist has been responsible.for the most lethal activity of the last.few years i will say.just as a point of clarification this.year uh.the lethal attacks that we've seen i.think have all been from.anti-government or anti-authority types.but but if you go back over the last few.years.it's been racially motivated by.extremists that had the most lethal.attacks in the in the homeland general.thank you mr jim i yield back the.balance of my time.thank you very much chair recognized.gentle lady from las vegas.miss titus for five minutes.thank you very much mr chairman uh.can you hear me yes we can okay thank.you i'm sorry.uh i too i'm sorry mr wolf button here.because i wanted to ask him about the.limitation on j-1 visas which is keeping.about.several dozen special ed teachers from.coming to clark county and i really.don't think special ed teachers are a.threat to the homeland but.nonetheless uh director ray.despite your protest to the contrary.that the fbi is.not being politicized we've seen.increasing politicization of the justice.department.uh under attorney general barr and this.has crossed a long standing line that.does.not we don't usually expect or.see or tolerate this sort of thing from.our nation's law enforcement.just yesterday the attorney general told.the nation's federal prosecutors.this is virtually a quote to be.aggressive.when charging certain demonstrators with.crimes.including the crime of sedition.now sedition as you know is an act of.inciting revolt or violence against a.lawful authority with the goal of.destroying.or overthrowing it now put that in the.context.of the fact that fbi.officials earlier this year described.the perpetrators of some of these.actions.at demonstrations as largely.opportunistic individuals.taking advantage of the protest then we.had a report by armed conflict location.and event data project which monitors.political upheaval.around the world they looked at seven.thousand.seven hundred and fifty protests from.may 26 to.august 22nd in 2400 locations.in all 50 states and uh in washington.and found that 93 percent of the.protests were peaceful.third we we've seen a statement by the.former federal prosecutor or federal.attorney from.eastern virginia who said well uh if.your eastern district of virginia mr.rosenberg.said if you're if bar is saying if you.have a sedition case.then bring it that's okay but if he's.urging people to stretch to bring one.that's deeply dangerous to our.constitution.i wonder if under these new directives.from attorney general barr who's.apparently trying to.shore up the president's law and order.image.you're going to change your approach to.dealing with some of the people who've.been involved in these demonstrations.if you're going to look at building a.case for sedition.it's difficult to prove but maybe you'll.set out to do that.could you kind of describe how this.might make a difference in the.crimes that you pursue against some of.these people.uh well congresswoman i'm i'm not.familiar with the um.the uh conversation that's been.attributed to the attorney general.you know in the press so i can't really.comment on that specifically.i will say my commitment our commitment.uh.is to pursue justice in every.investigation to follow the facts follow.the law.and follow proper predication and we.have a commitment to protect the.american people.and uphold the constitution and we're.going to do both in every investigation.and that includes in this context.could you talk a little bit about the.crime of sedition or what it would take.to.prove it and do you see any cases.pending out there now that might fit.under this kind of charge.uh well i will confess that i'm not a a.legal expert.on the crime of sedition so i'm not sure.that i would have to brush up on that to.be able to really answer your question.in the intelligent way that i think you.would expect.of me uh certainly there is.uh dangerous violent uh criminal.activity that is occurring.amidst some of the protests around the.country and we i think have a.responsibility.uh to pursue that activity aggressively.but appropriately uh even if numerically.even if numerically it may not be the.lion's share of the protesters uh by any.stretch of the imagination.it doesn't take more than one person to.engage in sometimes lethal activity.against others and so we have a.responsibility.to pursue that but you can be confident.that we're going to pursue that.based solely on the facts and the law.and the appropriate evidence.and not based on any kind of improper or.partisan consideration.would you think that mayor durkin or.governor jay.ensley uh are domestic terrorists.because of what's happened in seattle as.has been suggested perhaps by this.administration.i'm not familiar with the particular.comments that you're referring to so i.really can't comment on that.well i know i'm just asking do you think.they would fit the category of domestic.terrorists based on.what's been happening in seattle i'm.sorry do i think who's domestic.terrorists mayor durkin.and governor ensley.i i i wouldn't be describing them that.way but i.i will say i don't tend to.comment on people as ascribe.labels of terrorists or criminal.activity to people except.when we're speaking through our charges.that's how i would communicate about.that.i appreciate that i wish some other.members of the administration felt the.same way.thank you mr chairman of your back thank.you chair recognizes the old lady from.new jersey.ms watson coleman thank you very much mr.chairman.and thank you to our witnesses for the.service that you render.the job that you do and your willingness.to be here.and have an exchange of views mr ray.um i have a a series of follow-up.questions.congresswoman underwood asked you about.investigations and.you did not answer whether or not you.would be pursuing those investigations.at her request so is that a yes or no.i will confess congresswoman that i was.having an extremely hard time.hearing congresswoman underwood i don't.know if it was the quality of the audio.connection.or perhaps because she was appropriately.wearing a mask that i couldn't hear.through the mask so.i will confess that i really couldn't.understand the question very well i was.doing my best to answer it.the best of my ability so probably makes.more sense for me to follow up with her.staff.offline to make sure that i actually.understood the question.thank you um what about congressman al.green's uh.request that you investigate the.statements that.mr caputo made while he was a spokesman.at the dhs impacting what the cdc was.saying.and his uh notion of there would be.violence and uh that the scientists were.actually uh uh i i think the terminology.is creating.um well we're seditious in their um.um and their actions will you be.investigating that.i know you said you didn't know the um.comments.that were made but now that you know.will you be investigating that.well first congresswoman let me say as.you may know we don't.ever confirm or deny the existence of.investigations and so when we get when.we get requests from members of congress.to investigate something which happens.all the time we will take.evidence that's submitted uh if somebody.has have credible evidence of a crime.we'll review the evidence and decide.what to do about it.okay um then can you.tell me uh a couple of things number one.is.um do you feel that.voting by mail as a result of the.pandemic and.anticipation of having the largest um.turnout in voting at a time when we have.this pandemic.do you believe that there is uh.widespread fraudulence and abuse uh.historically.and voting by mail yes a yes or no.well i it's i'm not with respect i'm not.sure it easily lends itself to a yes or.no question but i will i will answer the.question.um we we take all election-related.crimes seriously.including voter fraud whether that's.interesting i guess my question is.my question is it is a yes or no.question is there.this sort of um of experience.historical record of why wide.a wide abuse of.widespread abuse of voting by mail yes.or no.we have not seen a to date a coordinated.national voter fraud effort in a major.election.we have certainly investigated we have.certainly invested if i.may finish we we've certainly have.investigated uh voter fraud.committed by mail it's typically been at.the local level.and and and very isolated um.circumstances i suspect.um i'm just wondering how often you get.to speak to the attorney general.and if you would use your good graces.and the respect that we have for you to.sort of.ask him to stop spreading such.misinformation about.uh vote voting voting integrity um.i want to ask you a couple of questions.about uh white supremacists.white supremacists and first of all let.me ask you about black lives matter does.black lives matter.represent an organization to you is that.a yes or no.uh i understand that there is an.organization.that calls itself black lives matter.okay do you have it.listed as a terrorist organization no.do you have any reason to believe that.it is a terrorist organization.uh well we don't we don't categorize.uh domestic organizations as terrorist.organizations under the law.because there's no mechanism have you.found okay have you.have you found um any.individuals that have uh aligned.themselves with.black lives matter as the perpetrators.of.any of the violent actions that you've.seen.take place in what was peaceful.demonstrations.organized by black lives matter.allies i.i can't sitting here right now speak to.uh.specific cases i i know that we have had.uh.a wide range of domestic violent.extremists.uh amidst the current protest activity.engaging in violence or destruction of.property and whether in any one of those.cases somebody may have.aligned themselves or associated.themselves with blacks i don't i'm.sitting here right now i can't think of.one but i don't know for sure.oh thank you do you know whether or not.they've been aligned with white.supremacist.boogaloo militia groups or whatever.other.sort of right-wing groups.well we've had a number of.investigations.uh involving some of the activity we're.talking about sort of domestic violent.extremism.uh that in some instances as i've.mentioned.are people who are associated themselves.with.um uh various anarchist ideologies like.antifa and other instances.associated themselves with like the.boogaloo.for example i mentioned the case in in.my.exchange with congresswoman.lesko about the minneapolis individuals.for example who.associate themselves with the boogaloos.and ultimately were also ensnared in.trying to provide material support to.hamas.and then there's some other cases that.we've had involving bugaloo activity.i believe perhaps the the individuals.who.uh the individual who killed the fps.officer in out in uh in oakland.may have um referenced uh boogaloo.uh inspiration generally generally this.time has expired.chair recognizes mr chairman yes.chair-recognized young lady.from florida miss demons thank you so.much mr chairman and thank you to both.of our witnesses for being with us today.i do have to say that i am disappointed.that.assistant secretary wolfe did not.join us today and also ignored our.subpoena.i have always expected and.kind of prided the fact that the.department of justice homeland security.those in the intelligence agency.would act above the fray act above.politics.keep us safe hold bad actors accountable.and eagerly appear to tell their own.story on behalf of the men and women.that they work for.and the american people so director.miller and director ray thank you both.for being with us today.i can also say that i am grateful for.the work that the men and women in law.enforcement do.every day and i can say that.and hold them accountable when they are.engaged in wrongdoing.all at the same time the men and women.in law enforcement do not deserve.nor need to be used as a political pawns.as i believe that we have heard too uh.much today i think they are clear on who.they work.for and that's they work on behalf of.the.um american people before i get into my.line of questioning for.uh the reasons we are here today um.director ray uh.following up on my colleague miss titus.quest line of questioning about the.attorney general's.uh agenda i you know we're in a strange.place right now.we're just hearing strange things all.the time.and what i did hear recently the.attorney general say that.really concerned me.he said like i say to the fbi agents.whose agents do you think you are.now director ray as we think about law.enforcement and the very.nonpartisan role that law enforcement.is engaged in or should be to alleviate.any confusion on behalf of your agents.or the american people.how do you respond to that comment from.the attorney general.well i'm i'm not familiar with that.particular comment from the attorney.general i will say.we the fbi work for the american people.okay thank you so much for clearing that.up.secondly i know both of you have said.that.pretty much the biggest threat or these.persons who we would consider as lone.wolves.lone individuals homegrown violent.extremists.how much would you say that they have.taken advantage when we look at the.number of protests.that we've seen around the country how.much would you say and i admit the.acoustics were not the best in here how.much would you say that they have taken.advantage of.the number of protests to really spread.their own individual.purpose calls message and what can we.anticipate.as we get closer to the election from.them.well certainly uh we have seen amidst.some of the protests in some cities at.certain times.um uh dangerous violent extremism.committed by people from a variety of.ideology who are hijacking.those protests as cover.or that's what i could use as cover for.their own.ability to engage in violence and.dangerous criminality.i think one of the phenomenons that that.lends itself to is not just.dangers to small businesses dangerous to.law enforcement.we talked about already but frankly.danger.to the other protesters as well uh the.people who are there peacefully.you know then find themselves you know.in the line of fire.um so it's activity that we need to.pursue aggressively using every tool.that we.lawful and appropriate tool that we have.in the toolbox i think one of the.things that we have started to see more.and more of.that i am concerned about this goes to.your question about what can we expect.to see in the future.in addition to people committing.violence against government buildings.and law enforcement which is a real.problem.and people need to understand that it's.really happening and having real.consequences.you're also seeing now.different violent extremist groups or.individuals.committing violence against each other.you know in other words.one group shows up to pick a fight with.the other group.and who knows which is chicken and which.is egg but now you've got an additional.level of combustible violence.as opposed to maybe just one category of.violent extremists.you know hijacking a particular protest.now you have both groups from opposite.sides.adding to the combustibility and the.danger of the situation.and so we've certainly seen that in a.number of cities and that's just a.that's a force multiplier in a bad way.that i'm concerned about going forward.thank you so much mr chairman may i ask.one more question.a director miller in may the acting.director of national intelligence.conducted a so-called reorganization of.the national.center for terrorism the national.counterterrorism center without.consulting congress.reportedly cutting resources and staff.what is the impact of the reorganization.at the nctc's operation.thank you congresswoman and we owe you a.briefing on that be happy to do that.i've been there for five weeks i thought.the reorganization we cleaned up some.stuff.i have not other than a few we had some.seats that weren't being filled for a.long time so those kind of.went away so i have not seen a major any.major issue at all with our.effectiveness or efficiency.happy to talk to you more about that.that'd be great so you do commit to.working with congress to discuss the.resources.absolutely thank you so much mr chairman.i yield back.thank you very much chair recognizes.young lady from.texas mr chairman thank you for your.generosity i just want to put on the.record.one question and introduce elements into.the record.is a doj contemplating or has a.contemplated opening an investigation.into domestic terrorism charges against.blm.i would like to have that on the record.for a response by both our witnesses.today.black lives matter and if so what is the.status.new york times i'm going to introduce.this new york times federal office is.deployed in portland.didn't have proper training dhs memo.said and.i'll just do unanimous consent at the.end mr chairman.washington post ice flew detainees to.virginia so the planes could transport.agents to dc.protests a huge coronavirus outbreak.followed.abc news death a protest from kenosha to.portland.but motives tell a different story.this indicates who were actually.involved in that.fbi names uh q anon a domestic terrorist.threat.asked unanimous consent this is a.federal bureau of investigation.intelligence bulletin.may 30th 2019..uh esquire years after being debunked.interest in pizzagate is rising.again uh and finally political divides.conspiracy theories and divergent news.sources heading into 2020 election pew.research center 43 percent of.republicans identify fraud as a major.problem.with voting by mail versus 11 democrats.i ask unanimous consent.uh that these uh be introduced into the.record.i'm sorry npr what is q and on the.conspiracy theory tiptoeing.into the trump world i ask you not.unanimous consent that these uh.periodicals.be submitted into the record along with.those without objection.thank you i also asked unanimous consent.to enter into the record a statement.for the record from brian levin director.of the study of hate and extremism.at california state university san.bernardino.without objections so ordered i thank.the witnesses for their valuable.testimony.and the members of for their questions.the members of the committee may have.additional questions for the witnesses.and we ask that you respond.expeditiously in writing to those.questions.hearing no further business the.committee stands to join.how you doing.thank you.thank you.strange.um.uh.uh.dark.

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The great thing about CocoSign is that it helps you sign electronically the Home Land Security Forms in your Gmail, without having any other devices involved. You can do that using the CocoSign Chrome extension. There are only five simple tips you need to follow to sign your form right in your Gmail account:

  1. Find the CocoSign extension in the Chrome Web Store, and download it to your browser.
  2. Log into your Gmail account.
  3. Direct to the Inbox and find the email containing the paper you need to sign.
  4. On the sidebar, you will find the button 'Sign'; click it and generate your personalize e-signature.
  5. Once you select 'Done,' the signature will be completed, and the signed document will be automatically saved in a draft email generated by the CocoSign software.

Saving time was the primary concern behind the efforts made by CocoSign to develop a secure and safe software that can allow you to waive signing docs with pen.

Once you try the software, you will immediately become one of the many satisfied clients who are enjoying the advantages of e-signing their documents right from their Gmail account.

How to create an e-signature for the Home Land Security Forms straight from your smartphone?

Smartphones and tablets are so evolved recently, that you can utilize them for anything what you can do on your laptop and PC. That's why more and more people are finishing work task from these mobile devices, saving even more time.

It's also a huge benefit work from home. As long as your internet connection is stable, you can conduct your business from anywhere.

When you need to sign a Home Land Security Forms, and you're not in the office, the CocoSign web application is the answer. Signing and sending a legally binding document will take seconds. Here is what you need to do to sign a document on your phone online:

  1. Use your browser to go to CocoSign and log in. If you don't already have an account, you need to register.
  2. Discover the document that needs to be signed on the device and open it.
  3. Open the document and go to the page to insert your esignature.
  4. Select on 'My Signature'.
  5. Create your designed signature, then download it on the page.
  6. Once you have done, go over it again, select 'Done'.

All these tips won't take long, and once the document is signed, you decide the next step. You can either download it to the device or share it in an email or using a link.

A significant benefit of CocoSign is that you can use it with with any mobile device, regardless of the operating system. It's the ideal method, and it simplifies workflow, it's safe.

How to create an e-signature for the Home Land Security Forms on iOS?

Creating an electronic signature on a iPhone is not at all hard. You can sign the Home Land Security Forms on your iPhone or iPad, using a PDF file. You will find the application CocoSign has created especially for iOS users. Just go to search CocoSign.

These are the tips you need to sign the form right from your iPhone or iPad:

  1. Download the CocoSign app on your iOS device.
  2. With your email to generate an account, or sign in with Google or Facebook.
  3. Discover the PDF that needs to be signed on the iPhone or pull it from the cloud.
  4. Discover the place where you want to add the signature; select 'Insert initials' and 'Insert signature'.
  5. Put down your initials or signature, place them correctly, and save changes to the document.

Once finished, the document is ready for the next step. You can download it to your iPhone and send it by email. As long as you have a efficient internet connection, you can sign and send documents instantly.

How to create an electronic signature for the Home Land Security Forms on Android?

iOS has lots of of users, there's no doubt of that, but most phone users have an Android operating system. To fulfill their needs, CocoSign has developed the software, especially for Android users.

You can get the app on Play Market, install it, and you can start signing documents. These are the tips to sign a form on your Android device:

  1. If you already have a CocoSign account, sign in. If you don't have one yet, you can sign in using Google or Facebook.
  2. Select on '+' to open the document you want to sign, from cloud storage or using your camera.
  3. Discover the place where the signature must be placed and then use the popup window to write your signature.
  4. Insert it on the page, confirm, and save the changes.
  5. The final step is to save the signed document.

To send the signed form, just attach it to an email, and it will reach your clients instantly. CocoSign is the best way to sign many forms every day, all at a low price. It's time to forget all about physical signatures and keep it all electronic.

Home Land Security Forms FAQs

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What is exactly illegal about rescinding DACA? How else do you stop encouraging illegals to bring their kids too?

There is absolutely nothing illegal about it. The President absolutely has the right to do what was done. Ethically the question is what did these children do wrong? Did they have any more say in coming to America than the children of an Italian, Irish or German immigrant of the 1800s? I can't find an answer to this that fulfills conservative moral and ethics and answers this question. Rescinding DACa is an extremely liberal, reactionary, anti-family action that stands against everything conservatives believe in. It's yet another example that the Republicans have stopped supporting families, smal Continue Reading

Should I get charged just for filling out I-90 form online? I was charged around $170 just for filling out the form online and I have yet to write a separate check of $540 to the US Homeland Security. Can anyone explain why I was charged $170?

My question is, are you a person applying for American citizenship? If so is the $170 fee to get you into the data base, for future employers to be able to check your status, and then be able to hire you? What is the $540 check to US Homeland Security for?

How are the loved ones of those who are incarcerated doing?

Wow. Prisons torture the families the most. Sometimes I forget that those untouched by the penal system, have no idea how hurtful it can be on the family. What we do the prisoner is only a small part of what we do their family. We are fine. How are you?

If an American citizen marries a Mexican citizen in Mexico, what is the process for the Mexican citizen to be able to come to the United States?

In my situation, I made a mistake by getting married in a foreign country and applying for a marriage visa for my wife. It is difficult. It's cost me more than 6,000 in lawyers fees. The system is extremely inefficient, and really even puts a lot of pressure on our marriage. We have a child together, and that means nothing to them. He's almost 2 years old now and we still aren't together. It seems that getting a fiance visa is inexplicably much easier. At least check into that.

What is your craziest US immigration experience?

I've told this story before on Quora, but this always makes me laugh. First, you need to know that while I was born in the USA, I renounced my American citizenship about 25 years ago. So, about 15 years ago (in the days of paper tickets) I was heading home to Toronto from our office in Shannon, Ireland. But a last-minute meeting in New York had popped up, so I was going to fly to New York first, then meet my colleague who would give me my New York-Toronto ticket. I flew into the USA 20 or 30 times a year in those days. Anyhow, I got to the customs counter and the guy was not at all happy. He gril Continue Reading

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