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hi everybody and welcome to this month's.specifying practice session I do want to.hand it over to Dave and Lois to get.started with today's talk I said Dave.and Lois over to you well thank you Matt.and yeah this is Dave coming to you from.southern New Jersey gorgeous day today.and finally get a little bit of sunshine.so this is a nice change for us Lois.that's a pleasant pleasant day here in.Hermitage a suburb of Nashville and they.already have a question from Thompson.yeah I think we will let you defer since.you're the primary presenter here we'll.let you defer to the right time but he.asks a question I think is on.everybody's mind well this is while.you're doing that we're gonna do the.obligatory AIA things since we are.giving okay yeah so go ahead with within.our office there are differing.viewpoints on what steps have to be.taken to verify a wall assembly is NFPA.285 compliant some feel that the yes.evaluation service reports for products.are all that's needed others feel that.you have to follow the proprietary.products used in the tested assembly and.verify the details of the tested.assembly that they matched project.details the latter approach causes some.issues for some wall claddings like.fiber cement siding and MCM panels can.you elaborate on what depth of.exploration is required to prove.compliance thanks John it's great to.start the presentation with a question.that's wonderful we've we will get into.all of that and hopefully grew up by the.time we get to the end we will have.answered your question because we're.going to run through some of the code.requirements and some of the code.history as to how we got to where we are.today and hopefully that'll help explain.what needs to be done to be compliant.okay if we get to the end and we still.haven't answered your question ring back.in so that we know so what I wanted to.do is just a real quick overview of what.has been code requirement and then again.where we are today so this whole concept.of NFPA 285 this exterior wall fire test.was introduced way back in 1988 as part.of UPC code and it was initially there.to in response to East cladding and.considering East were really introduced.to the US in the 60s became a lot more.prevalent in the 70s because of the.energy crisis you know it only took 20.years for the code organ to be able to.install efz on type 1 and 2 you know non.combustible construction basically right.so this is not a speedy industry by any.stretch you know if it takes that kind.of timeframe for the code to react but.NFPA 285 actually first came into being.in the 2000 I B C edition which was the.first edition of the International.Building Code and they adopted it it was.the 1998 edition and NFPA 285 s appeared.in every issue since then so today what.we're looking at or the progression here.has really been that NFPA 285 is now.being applied to other materials that.was first applied to plastic materials.which was introduced in 2009 and MCM.panels at that same time you know it's.been extended to include some other.materials 2012 for instance combustible.weather barriers became one of the.targets along with the high pressure.laminates and some other materials and.that caused a little bit of an uproar in.the industry and in 2012.IBC at our 2015 sorry.IBC responded to the uproar and actually.added some exceptions the exceptions.were primarily dealing with the WRB the.weather resistive barrier because of the.limited fuel contribution that the.barrier is making that there were cement.exceptions that excluded the WRB from.triggering compliance with NFPA 285 then.so in in the ever-evolving field here.2018 and now it's introduced extended.some of those exemptions to the.flashings that are associated with WRB.because they were not in the 2015 were.not specifically excluded so where does.that leave us.today 2018 IBC I don't know of any.jurisdiction and forcing it yet but it.references NFPA 285 19 or 2017 edition.and there's a bit of a problem here only.because that Edition doesn't exist in.August it was sent back to the committee.and now the next planned addition for.285 is going to be 2019 so there's the.code officials are going to have to deal.with this somehow because they managed.to publish the 2017 edition and it's not.available so just looking overall at the.country and where we are with the code.adoption this is not a hundred percent.accurate as of today so several.jurisdictions have adopted 2015 recently.I said I don't know of any that are.adopting 2018 yet although they're there.are some threats here in the.Pennsylvania area that they may the vast.majority though.still 2009-2012 and there's some.distinction her differences between.these two codes and that's something.that you have to be aware of so that's.the majority of all of the states so.what's what's driving some of this it's.really been about combustible wall.assemblies so NFPA you know they're.publishing 285 they actually did a study.that was conducted in 2013 they're.looking at the major fires that have.been reported around the world and.trying to categorize what's been going.on with some of those fires the kinds of.things that they're looking at that they.concentrated on really where the.combustible wall assemblies you can see.the list here of most of the ones that.they were investigating that noticing it.actually included the weather resistant.barriers because when they were first.introduced most of them were asphalt.based and didn't did add a fuel to that.exterior wall assembly David we have a.question from Jay and Marsh that relates.to that and he asked does NFPA 285.applied to any of the interior surfaces.of an exterior wall I've seen this issue.he says in renovating type 3b masonry.buildings and using spray foam and other.insulation types inside the building on.the interior side of the exterior wall.the code treats it as an exterior wall.assembly and the the effect on interior.is really about keeping the fire from.spreading back to an interior space.above a floor where the floor may be.engaged in a fire so as long as the.exterior wall assembly remains.in tact to prevent flame or heat from.being from the temperature being.elevated in that room above it should it.should comply I don't know that it would.be affected by any interior application.I hope that answers it Jennifer okay so.from the NFPA study here really are some.of the major observations that the study.came up with building fires the exterior.wall fires are really low frequency but.the potential loss is huge the loss.could be both in property and in lives.and we've seen some of those recently.the the fires that they observed or that.they studied they found most of them.occur in countries with poor regulatory.control and many of these have been.reported in the Middle East we've seen.some of the the biggest fires coming out.of the Middle East and they're there.NFPA is interpretation is that it's less.controlled in that area the world the.other one is that the internal fires are.spreading to the exterior wall and this.really is the crux of 285 because it.simulates an internal fire that breaches.the exterior wall through an opening and.spreads up the exterior wall of the.building possibly behind the exterior.cladding exactly continuous insulation.or and a flammable weather resistive.barrier membrane right and that that's.really this last bullet point these.reentrant corners where the flame can.get in behind the cladding it now.creates that void behind the cladding as.a chimney and actually accelerates the.fire up the exterior wall or building.so here's one of the spectacular fires.not that we want to say that it's.something wonderful to watch but this is.coming out of Dubai this was one of the.ones at the NFPA study cited the.Grenfell tire tower was just this last.year and this re-entrant chimney effect.is exactly what caused this to spread up.the exterior wall so quickly because.there was nothing to protect the fire.from getting into that void space so.what sorts of things are triggering NFPA.285 Louis I oughta ask you all this you.should know this right from from the.quick survey of the codes that we.started with at the beginning it depends.on which code that you're operating.under so 2003 six and nine it's really.foam plastic insulation and MCM yes and.much of this came about because of the.change in the energy code that started.requiring continuous insulation in.almost all the climate zones of the.country except extreme South Florida and.and other southern locales and and so.one of the less expensive and most.efficient forms of continuous.installation is of course foam plastic.however there are and of course a lot of.people because of the difficulties in.finding tested assemblies with foam.plastic I know the permit I worked for.previously has started using a lot of.mineral wool continuous insulation to.just avoid the question altogether right.so remember 2009 is one of the most.enforced.so MCM and foam plastic under 2009 but.if we look at where we are today with.2012 all of these items can trigger NFPA.285 in 2012 and beyond so the list has.gotten quite a bit longer.we still have MCM we still have felt in.plastic but we've got some other things.that are causing some concerns relating.to the code so the combustible weather.barrier high pressure laminates yes roof.top mechanical equipment screens and for.for anybody that wants to look at the.look up the code citations these are the.references in the actual IBC 2012 and.I've identified because in 18 there are.some other provisions added so the or.the chapter citation changes in 2018 so.just for your own reference we might let.folks know that we will make a PDF of.the slides available sometime early next.week when the programme is also recorded.that's right and the Prezi is public so.you can search for on prezi.com search.for NFPA 285 you should be able to find.it this is a depiction of the actual.NFPA.test standard and the test assembly so.it really consists of two rooms a lower.room in an upper room the lower room is.where they set the fire inside the room.plus they set a fire at the head of the.opening after the interior room reaches.a prescribed temperature and the reason.is that it's simulating a flashover.condition where in.Rome would be engulfed in flame and at.that point because the really quick.increase in pressure the windows would.be blown out and the fire would be going.out through the window opening which is.exactly what happened in the Grenville.fire last summer is that an appliance.actually caught fire was an electrical.fire to start with the fire got going.pretty good in that kitchen it burst.through the window and the next thing.you know it was racing up the walls.right so they set the window opening.sighs and part of this with the test.assembly is trying to measure the.propagation of the flame on the outside.of the wall so the test assembly is.designed to be a little bit larger than.that to make sure they can measure it.and again setting the fire inside the.room and then at the window opening so.the acceptance criteria for this test.the shade in the pink shaded area is the.allowable propagation of the flame on.the outside of the test wall if it.exceeds that by any at any point it's a.failure you know there's a maximum.temperature and the the thermocouples in.this test there you see a couple of them.labeled here 14 to 17 I really did not.go and count how many there are.because it depends upon the actual.exterior all assembly so that if you.have foam insulation within that.assembly you actually put thermocouples.inside the foam insulation to measure.the temperature in the foam as in.addition to the surface and temperatures.so it's the flame spread 10 feet above.the top of the window 5 feet from the.edge of the centreline of the window and.the temperature limits then depending.upon the assembly because of the.introduction of foam and then the.temperatures inside the second row are.the second floor.anything above 500 degrees is a fail any.flames in that second-floor window is a.fail so I don't know if they selected.the 500 degrees because of the combust.ability of most organics but if you.think about what's what's one of the.books about the burning paper book book.burnings 451 one right right so we get.paper burning at 451 igniting at 451.degrees and a lot of the organics are.going to be in that same range so 500 in.that second floor room could ignite.anything organic David we have a comment.and a question from Christian Nielsen.okay he is quoting because it's in.quotation marks fire blocking shall be.installed within concealed spaces of.exterior wall coverings and other.exterior architectural elements were.permitted to be of combustible.construction correct and then he asked.the question in an exterior wall system.or does the wall end and the covering.begin and really Christian I think the.the point of this test is that's kind of.an on question that it has to work.together as a system as it a an assembly.and the assembly itself has to pass the.the test and that's why we can't just.say oh well we've got a non combustible.cladding and we tested the flame rate if.the continuous installation and we put.them together no they have to be tested.together great and and some of the.things that we've seen is with.engineering judgments I'll jump ahead.maybe a little bit where if you look at.the assembly and some of the bases.because.you can't possibly test every imaginable.assembly out there so what the engineers.are doing for engineering judgments is a.look at the the fuel contribution of say.alternative materials and measured by a.calorimeter to determine what that fuel.contribution is and if we have a tested.assembly and we want to change out a.material we can look at that changed.material compared to the tested assembly.does it contribute more fuel or less.fuel if it's less fuel then it will.probably perform equally well or better.and that's really the basis for the.engineering judgments and that kind of.gets back to John Thompson's original.question about how do we probably find.assemblies that have been tested in.being able to to prove that and I know.you're gonna talk about that some more.but that's those are the kinds of things.that we have to deal with because if you.think about all the types of cladding.that can be installed on a building all.the types of continuous insulation of.weather resistant barriers and then of.the basic wall construction and you.multiply those out you get a very very.large number of possibilities and so.here's the the quotation that Christian.was citing from the Building Code in.2012 was when this this was introduced.this fire blocking notion and in 2015.there are no changes to these provisions.but NFPA 285 actually provides an.exception so they're saying if if the.exterior wall is tested to 285 and.passes fire blocking is not necessarily.required because you've already proven.compliance with 285 if you have it in no.tested Wallace.where you'll need it but if you test it.without passes you don't need it Don.Peterson asks does adding foam plastic.to the inside face of an exterior wall.count as being part of the exterior wall.assembly where does the exterior wall.and in the interior finishes begin well.this goes back again to an entire.assembly so you're going to test the.entire proposed assembly if you're going.to put foam on the inside you'll have to.test with the foam on the inside and.you'll still have to have a fire barrier.between the interior and the phone so.presumably the foam would be in a stud.cavity space or at least behind a.chipboard finish in that second floor.room okay in 2012 we ended up with some.additional requirements that actually.trigger to 85 and these are mechanical.equipment screens there's some there's.some severe limitations to this and I.and I I will tell you the kinds of.buildings that we would normally work on.I can't imagine that we would ever be in.a condition that this is actually.triggered but I'm guessing that there.are some where it has been a problem and.that's why the code has introduced it so.it's really in all types of construction.except type five you know ordinary wood.frame and it really has to do I think.with the separation between the.mechanical equipment screen and the.property perimeter or the building.perimeter.so this is one where the code has.changed between 2009 and 2012 and this.is relating to the building height and.the types of construction and the fact.that now WRB becomes a trigger in 2012.and 2015 gives back those exceptions.that we began to talk about at the.beginning our program so this is one.place depending upon the code you have.to be very careful as to what becomes a.trigger so 2009 is different.2012 introduces WRB 2015 gives you some.exceptions 2018 introduces more.exceptions this is one area we're.talking about MCM and this has been a.primary focus on from NFPA and the.combustible cladding we saw that in the.Grenville tower fire this is this is the.area of the code that has had the.greatest number of revisions over the.progress of introducing 285 so today.we're looking at types one two three and.four.using MCM will trigger compliance within.a PA 285 you need to understand this.very carefully because of the.implications that it can have and there.are a lot of conditions that go with.this as far as the code criteria so we.need to look at the surface burning.characteristics of MCM they're looking.to have it essentially the same as a.Class A material so we have to meet that.flame spread of 25 smoke develop for 50.even though it's an exterior element.what they're using is Class A is to try.to.help control that surface burning and.the contribution to a fire by adding.fuel to that fire the one of the.concerns is certainly that the plastic.cores that were used in MCM when they.liquefy it really turns into a pretty.good accelerant you know because it's.coming out of the plastics it's it's.related heavily to gasoline and we all.know what that can do at a fire david.paul gerber our friends from the frozen.north ask.raises the issue that in these summaries.here you you don't mention the.difference between the PE core and the.fire-resistant core good point Paul and.it was shortly after the grant full fire.that we had most of the manufacturers.essentially eliminating the polyethylene.core I'm not even sure that it's.actually available anymore so the fire.resistive core maybe all that's.available on the market today and right.there was a difference between the.polyethylene and the fire resistant core.they're still both plastics and they.both and they both burn but the fire.resistant core has a lot of non.flammable fibers in it that slows down.the burning rate reduces some want the.the fuel contributed and that's why it's.called fire retardant not non.combustible or whatever and and the code.doesn't make distinction between.polyethylene and a fire resistive core.for MCM it just sets out the performance.requirements and gosh I guess if you.could develop a polyethylene core that.can meet all these requirements you.could go ahead and install that on the.building well I said I I believe most of.the most if not all the manufacturers.have eliminated the polyethylene.this and going back to John's initial.question the code requires four MCM that.it must be a system test so this is a.complete exterior wall system right.there are some alternate conditions and.these get to be an extensive read in the.code and I'm not even going to begin to.get into them because it has to do with.height area the individual combust.ability of individual the MCM very.complicated if that if you're looking to.take that alternative path you probably.need to be working with the MCM.manufacturing contractor to make sure.that you absolutely complied with these.alternate conditions if you're not going.that alternate path system testing is.required and you may also want to take a.look at the evaluation service reports.for the different materials to see what.their requirements are because in those.four examples some of the manufacturers.state that the MCM must be installed.with five-eighths inch pipe X gypsum.wallboard on the inside of the exterior.wall right oh and that really comes back.to some of the testing requirements so.that's how it was tested that's what.they know passes and that's what they're.going to recommend and if it and if.they're submitting data to the.evaluation service that's where they're.going to record if TS reports Tommy.Smith asked rather trenchant question.David he says to be on the safe side and.since this issue is undergoing change.should designers follow the latest code.regardless of what addition addition is.adopted by the.local authorities having jurisdiction I.think there's an easy answer to that.Tommy yeah the I hear I actually heard.John Straub say this last week you know.the code is the meeting the code gives.you the worst building acceptable.legally you know and if you think about.that he's absolutely right the code.prescribes a minimum and there is.nothing that prevents anyone from doing.better than the code and whether it's.the 2009 12 or 18 code shouldn't really.matter you can you can apply I you can.take concepts from later edition codes.but if you're looking at any of the.exceptions that later editions are.giving you're probably going to have to.chat with the HJ before he's willing to.accept them but you can always do more.you can always do better than the code.this involves brought up that very point.that the exceptions that get introduced.in the later code additions may not be.the best in this situation that's.correct.so I tried to create this flowchart.dealing with MCM and you can see it gets.pretty complex it's and to follow this.all the way through you know you start.you start looking at it and saying one.of the very first questions is is there.a forum foam plastic involved if foam.plastic is involved then you need to be.looking at the fire resistant or the.surface characteristics then what.building is it applied to you know if.it's type 1 2 3 or 4 now we've got to go.through and FPA 285 and it and it.prescribes some additional requirements.for fire performance.we still have the alternative path again.by height area and some ignition.properties of the individual materials.the safe bet just build buildings our.type 5 buildings right we don't have to.worry about it because you're already.limited by height and if you put MCM on.a type 5 building the height is actually.going to be controlled by different.factors of the code but you have quite a.torturous path to get through here to.get to a compliant assembly safest.easiest way.NFPA tested you know it's compliant and.if you build it just like the tested.assembly you're somewhat home free ok.thinking back again 2009 and 12 these.are the most often used codes throughout.the country.so the chapter 26 requirements in these.two codes are actually identical right.and so if you're looking at exterior.walls any building any height.we've got foam plastic in it we can.begin we can trigger NFPA 285 so that.would be your continuous insulation can.begin to trigger 285 compliance if we're.looking at fire-resistance rated.exterior walls now we've got some other.criteria introduced because you're going.to have to test it as fire-resistance.rated which is not 285 fire-resistance.rated would be from exterior exposure or.interior exposure if you're up against a.property line the wall may have to be a.fire resistance rating you have to do.that in addition to NFPA 285 we still.have to have the thermal barrier.to separate whatever foam we put in the.assembly from the building interior the.code says half-inch thick gypsum as the.minimum thermal barrier okay so what.we're we I started to talk about this as.it relates to the engineering judgments.and this is this potential heat is what.the engineers are relying on so this is.allows them to substitute a material one.for another within the test and still.meet the intent of 285 as long as they.can show that that potential heat.contributed by whatever material the.foam or WRB they're going to use the.same kind of analysis to be able to.allow additional assembly constructions.to meet to 85 still have to look at.flame and smoke you know we're looking.at foam plastics again we're going to.treat it as though it's an interior.finished class a meet 25 or 454 flame.and smoke and smoke spread and again as.a way to help limit that combust ability.of the felt plastic.coming back to you again John vertical.and lateral fire propagation it is an.entire assembly test an entire assembly.test one story buildings are exempted.NFPA our IBC 2015 add some more.exemptions we talked a little bit about.those especially for the WRB and there.are some other concern or considerations.where if you can limit that chimney.effect behind the exterior cladding by.restricting the cavity the open air.space as a cavity you can get through.some of these exemptions they all.require at least a one inch thick.masonry or concrete as the cladding.either no air space between the.insulation and the and the cladding or.insulation with the flame spread not.more than 25.and that's fairly easy to do with the.traditional insulated masonry cavity.wall yes it is and with with traditional.masonry cladding first of all you have a.non combustible cladding so you end up.with a little bit more latitude anyhow.to be able to meet to 85 one one thing.that's important in 285 for foam plastic.is the labeling and this this is just.more than the general marking that the.code requires for some other products.usually requires the manufacturers name.the product name may be the date of.manufacture this one has some very.specific requirements that the.manufacturers must report and must label.that installation with to make sure that.it's acceptable for 285 assembly so we.should just be aware that that labeling.requirement is there and if you're.specifying for 285 you may want to.request as a submit all that labeling.from the manufacturer so that your field.CA staff as a way to know that the.correct insulation is being installed in.that assembly ok deep breath the the.ignition of these foam plastics is also.one of the concerns and there are some.again some exceptions for exterior.facings and you look at the exceptions.you can see that what they're really.talking about is non combustible.exterior cladding Zoar facings so if.there is a concrete or masonry yes you.don't have to be so you're not going to.be concerned about eating with NFPA 268.which is for combust ability.if there's a concrete metal panel stucco.all non-combustible in 2015 also added.fiber cement siding as an exception for.those facing materials Wiley has a.question this is about ten years ago he.was talking with s WRI testers about.developing a small-scale NFPA 285 test.which would test a specimen wall area.just above the window opening to the top.of the specimen wall and asked as this.testing exists yet and who have any idea.about any possible code adoption I'm be.very suspect of that death because the.NFPA Teddy test starting it's.essentially the same as the one that was.invented in 1988 by the Uniform Building.Code has been around so long and has.been has a lot of confidence in it the.the whole point is that we're not we.have to take into consideration will the.the flame start in our one room break.through go up through the wall and then.engage the room above that's the exactly.the problem that happen in the Grenville.tower and that's exactly what the test.is meant to try to control so I'd be.very I doubt that that's going to be any.kind of meaningful test and in in the.near future in and in preparing for this.presentation actually what I discovered.is there's talk in the industry of.actually moving to larger scale fire.tests that involve test assemblies as as.much as forty feet high to be more.represented in.of real-world conditions that there's.some concern that NFPA is too small a.scale a test to accurately predict.what's going to happen in the field so.we may be faced with even more.restrictive measures in the future if.the industry is probably being led by.NFPA in doing this study and maybe.taking the results of the 2013 study and.applying it going forward because some.of the European tests are actually much.larger scale than 285 so looking at foam.plastic code compliance this is probably.even a little bit more difficult than.MCN you know that and I said we we start.with the very first thing is this.product labeled if it's not labeled.immediately you're non-compliant so you.might as well not even consider anything.else so and that's why it it's probably.really important to make sure we're.specifying for that label and checking.the label if your see a staff of the.field so we go through the same sort of.thing the fire resistance the.essentially class a requirement is there.a thermal barrier if it's and there has.to be the thermal barrier to the.building interior are we talking about.type one two or three or one two three.or four I have two twos I didn't notice.that before pretend the second two is.three okay so if we have type one two or.three or four then we really need to be.looking at NFPA testing to be able to.get through compliance what what.actually surprised me in looking at the.codes is if we have NFPA testing 285.we're still not done because if there's.foam in that exterior wall and we're.trying to build in the u.s. in southern.states Gulf Coast states where we have.termite infestations we still have one.last compliance path that that phone.cannot be within six inches agreed and.then you may have a compliant assembly.so what do we got is alternatives hey.the very first one use non combustible.cladding that might keep you out of NFPA.compliance altogether so we're seeing.some of our clients moving from instead.of MCM we're seeing them moving.definitely to metal cleat and metal.panels some of them to fiber cement.moving to the high pressure decorative.laminates doesn't take you out of the.non combustible so we have been seeing.some folks moving there as well but.that's still a combustible product and.still may trigger 285 move away from.noncom move to non combustible.insulation mineral wall foam glass we.don't see much foam glass coming out of.the engineering somewhat background we.use the seafoam glass especially for.high temperature applications but it's.it's completely in combustibles.completely inorganic which allows you to.do things with it that you wouldn't.necessarily be able to do with other.insulation materials the only difficult.on the r-value is rest and it's fragile.it is herb's so there are some.installation issues that hidden costs.yes it is but if you have the broken.pieces you can use it for sanding these.to sell sanding box made out of the same.stuff yes I suppose you could do that.yep the other thing is looking at the.air barriers and 2015 and later see if.you can.put yourself in a position where you're.you're using an exempted material that.would help to keep you out of NFPA 285.compliance and then the last thing is to.look at engineering judgments and to be.able to help when none of the tested.assemblies are actually matching what.you're planning for the project I I will.say that there are some manufacturers.out there that have some pretty good.help in selecting assemblies that will.meet to 85 there they're giving you.essentially a Chinese menu where you can.pick one from column a one from column B.and it tells you how you can mix and.match the materials and still end up.with 285 compliance one of the one of.the things that absolutely prevents.compliance is taking combustible.cladding like MCM combining it with foam.plastic for the continuous insulation.that is almost an immediately fail.especially if it's XPS or EPS insulation.material there may be hope to use a poly.iso fire retardant poly so with MCM I.have seen some assemblies they say that.that is tested and passed but you have.to be very careful mixing foam.insulation with MCM or any other.combustible cladding.so what other questions do we have Louis.I finished I finished I can't believe I.finished this a little bit early so this.is great actually well Sheldon wolf.states that the exemption for one story.buildings is somewhat limited he quotes.foam plastics may be used without a.thermal barrier in one story buildings.provided that dot dot dot ellipsis it is.covered with specified metal spacings.and the building has automatic.sprinkling this provision is intended to.permit use of metal face panels.primarily in storage buildings yes.Thank You Sheldon and yes I did not copy.the entire code I didn't want to bore.everybody to tears but yes yes you have.to be careful to read the exceptions to.know exactly what the application is so.gosh everybody that that wants the.credit its it'll be hsw make sure that.you submit your AIA numbers and we'll.get those sent out probably early next.week after we get the list from back and.next up as Matt said we're at oh gosh I.didn't change the calendar so I can't.even tell you may something first.Thursday 3:00 o'clock same time same.channel so thank you very much everyone.thanks for joining and between now and.next month I'll get Lois to decide what.we're presenting so keep those cars and.letters coming in friends and neighbors.with your suggestions because you know.David and I very strongly feel that this.is your program and your discussion our.and we want to meet your needs rather.than what we think we know about.so with that davon Lewis as always thank.you again for the awesome work and.thanks you for everybody that attended.you can now disconnect and go about your.day.

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How do I fill out the IIFT 2018 application form?

The IIFT application form process is in online mode only while to make the payment, candidates can opt for the online as well as offline mode. The end date to submit the IIFT application form has also been extended till September 15, 2017. Check the steps to register for IIFT Application Form 2018 .

How do I fill out the NTSE form 2017- 2018 Jharkhand online?

You cannot gove NTSE online or at your own level you have to belong to a school which is conducting ntse. Then download the form online from the page of ntse, fill it and submit it to your school along with fee. If your school is not conducting ntse, sorry to say but you cannot give ntse. It can only be given through, no institutions are allowed to conduct thos exam.

How do I fill out the CAT 2018 application form?

There is a detailed instruction on how to fill up the form on the CAT website. Both written and a video format. The instructions are easy to follow. If you still find it difficult talk to a faculty if you are taking coaching in any institute or anyone known to you who has already filled the form.

How do I fill out the JEE Main 2018 application form?

Jee Main 2018 Application forms are open to be submitted online from today. The 1st December 2017 is the starting date of filling application form. The last date of the registration is 1st January 2018. Read here how to fill JEE Main Application Form 2018 step-by-step procedure and instruction. See also: When will the JEE Main 2018 registration open?

How do I fill out the NEET application form for 2018?

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Can I intercept a UPS package?

The only reason I can see this happening is if you purchased something from a questionable source. Say you found an item online for a ridiculously low price. You buy it but in reality it’s a scam. If UPS finds out they can stop transmission of the package.

What happens when a package is intercepted?

At UPS, intercepted packages are not delivered per shipper or loss prevention. When the driver scans a package that is to be intercepted, it prompts the driver not to deliver it and return to sender. It may be a duplicate delivery, an incorrect item, or fraud.

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